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Ratchet said:
The obvious downside being 4 roles being known but I think it's probably better to have them on the table now and see where we stand with them.
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if there is a scum in them it can be a scum role with a fake claim that works with the neighbor - if that makes sense, so idk how this helps
 
kind of wish RDK atleast voted someone or told us who to vote if he thinks voting evans is silly :blobcry
 
Ultra said:
I think they're mostly on point about the lower slots so far although there's only so much you can get from them.

I actually think one of Ratchet/Gram is scum just by the way they've been phoning it in, especially so if Ekko/Flower are town.
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I'm sure you've got good reasons to establish why I'm linked to Gram on this-

Ah, wait, of course you don't. Silly me. This is why there is no reason to engage with you. You're approaching the whole thing in bad faith, and when you receive an answer that satisfies what you originally asked, you alter your line of questioning to appear to press the upper hand. I don't know why you think it works, it doesn't, but you try anyway.

And because I already know how you'll try to spin this, no it's not a defence of Gram. He could well flip scum. It won't be because you arbitrarily decided to put him and I together and decreed that there must be 1 scum between us for "phoning it in".
 
Ultra said:
I think they're mostly on point about the lower slots so far although there's only so much you can get from them.

I actually think one of Ratchet/Gram is scum just by the way they've been phoning it in, especially so if Ekko/Flower are town.
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Which one of those two do you feel are more likely to be scum?

Just for the record, are you reading Ekko and Flower as town?
 
Aurelian said:
I'm watching you.
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Ekkologix said:
if there is a scum in them it can be a scum role with a fake claim that works with the neighbor - if that makes sense, so idk how this helps
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Well I didn't say it would guarantee a scum flip, did I? I still think there is plenty of value in having the Masons known, especially because the lack of confirmation doesn't really make them a big target, and there is also nothing to say that Mason is the only role they possess (there is obviously no real need to claim this).
 
Ekkologix said:
so then they cant all be catagorized as "town side of null"

it would mean the first group is lean town, the second group is town side of null

that wud be a lot better to look at

if u have everybody at null yet u r this chill about it we're gna have issues
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Ekko, this is like my third time trying to rank my reads using that terminology. I saw you do it a few games ago and liked it so I've tried using it. I'm not meaning to say that my reads are all null.
 
So instead of just trying to reread the game, I went over isos of each player just to try and get a grip of each slot. Unless someone has minimum posts or hasn't posted yet, I did try to give some sort of read, just as a starting point for myself.

1. Dalton - Null
- Has not posted

2. T-Pein - Lean Town
- Thought him explaining Roman gif made sense
- Logical explanation on believing Flower claim

3. Ratchet - Lean Town
- Understood thought process of his play around Flower's mason claim
- Empathized with him saying you don't need to understand scum motive
- Argument with Ekko felt like genuine townie frustration/what the heckness

4. Grammaton - Lean Town
- First called questions around mason claims being dubious (home base knowledge being shared)
- Thought process is understandable and presented
- Didn't speak for Lethal and defended Midnight

5. RDK - Wolf Side of Null
- Called out Flower's claim as nervous
- Wants to sheep Gram

6. Lethal - Null
- Some credence to the idea of Lethal loving theme and not being active (deserves benefit of the doubt but still wary)

7. Hans TWEETenberg - Town
- Claimed miller and I believe it

8. Ultra - Lean Town
- Felt like him questioning Flower's nervousness was genuine pondering and had legit reasons
- Questioning Ratchet didn't feel like there was an agenda

9. CraigPelton - Wolf Side of Null
- Thought Flower's mason claim was not townie (when Ultra said why it was townie Craig said he had the opposite impression)
- Felt like maybe he didn't really read my posts and said I read Flower wolf, then dropped the convo

10. Goth Boy - Null
- I won't lie, this is a player that is the closet thing I'd call a policy lynch for me
- I'll leave him be

11. Psychic - Town Side of Null
- Questioning double masons having scum in it seemed logical

12. Aurelian - Wolf Side of Null
- Doesn't seem engaged yet

13. Alco - Null
- Has not posted

14. Black Pegged Dragon - LOCK Town
- LOCK town and town core

15. Big Man - Null
- Posted twice

16. PHEN0M - Town Side of Null
- Thought him challenging Ekko showed good initiative

17. Doddsy - Town Side of Null
- Seems too aloof right now (unless leaning into this after two scum games :O)

18. Evans - Wolf Side of Null
- His Tpein call out for Roman gif pinged me

19. Nevermind - Wolf Side of Null
- Calling out Flower early pinged me

20. Rugrat - Null
- Has not posted yet

21. Indigo - Lean Town
- Bold to be scum claiming mason second but not accusing Flower of being wolf

22. Ekko - Wolf Side of Null
- Didn't really understand why he argued with Ratchet over a joke
- Asked Gram for Lethal read despite Lethal having one post (the way Ekko talked I thought Lethal had more)

23. Tiara - Lean Town
- Tend to believe her mason claim
- Understand nervousness if mason partner unknown
 
Ratchet said:
I'm sure you've got good reasons to establish why I'm linked to Gram on this-

Ah, wait, of course you don't. Silly me. This is why there is no reason to engage with you. You're approaching the whole thing in bad faith, and when you receive an answer that satisfies what you originally asked, you alter your line of questioning to appear to press the upper hand. I don't know why you think it works, it doesn't, but you try anyway.

And because I already know how you'll try to spin this, no it's not a defence of Gram. He could well flip scum. It won't be because you arbitrarily decided to put him and I together and decreed that there must be 1 scum between us for "phoning it in".
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You're not "linked" to him, it's just that I have percieved relative low efforting. Honestly our interactions earlier don't factor in as much as just gauging how little you're actually doing proactively. If you object, well, feel free to refer to your own contributions.

Black Pegged Dragon said:
Which one of those two do you feel are more likely to be scum?

Just for the record, are you reading Ekko and Flower as town?
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Would actually slight lean towards Gramma because he had a vague generalization of taking issue with Flower's defenders, but never specified why, and his vote towards Ekko seemed to not have much gas to it.
 
Ratchet said:
Well I didn't say it would guarantee a scum flip, did I? I still think there is plenty of value in having the Masons known, especially because the lack of confirmation doesn't really make them a big target, and there is also nothing to say that Mason is the only role they possess (there is obviously no real need to claim this).
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i dont think the *characters* are needed

but what the masons can do is a subtle hint like ultra did (was it with xenos?) in one of the games where he was mason

they started the first letter of each post with the name of their mason partner

that way easy to proof masonship

aside from this, if we read flowa and indigo as town now, we can trust in their assessment of their individual partners now. if they feel their partner is scummy they can out it at any time.

do u actually have any scum read rn?
 
Black Pegged Dragon said:
So instead of just trying to reread the game, I went over isos of each player just to try and get a grip of each slot. Unless someone has minimum posts or hasn't posted yet, I did try to give some sort of read, just as a starting point for myself.

1. Dalton - Null
- Has not posted

2. T-Pein - Lean Town
- Thought him explaining Roman gif made sense
- Logical explanation on believing Flower claim

3. Ratchet - Lean Town
- Understood thought process of his play around Flower's mason claim
- Empathized with him saying you don't need to understand scum motive
- Argument with Ekko felt like genuine townie frustration/what the heckness

4. Grammaton - Lean Town
- First called questions around mason claims being dubious (home base knowledge being shared)
- Thought process is understandable and presented
- Didn't speak for Lethal and defended Midnight

5. RDK - Wolf Side of Null
- Called out Flower's claim as nervous
- Wants to sheep Gram

6. Lethal - Null
- Some credence to the idea of Lethal loving theme and not being active (deserves benefit of the doubt but still wary)

7. Hans TWEETenberg - Town
- Claimed miller and I believe it

8. Ultra - Lean Town
- Felt like him questioning Flower's nervousness was genuine pondering and had legit reasons
- Questioning Ratchet didn't feel like there was an agenda

9. CraigPelton - Wolf Side of Null
- Thought Flower's mason claim was not townie (when Ultra said why it was townie Craig said he had the opposite impression)
- Felt like maybe he didn't really read my posts and said I read Flower wolf, then dropped the convo

10. Goth Boy - Null
- I won't lie, this is a player that is the closet thing I'd call a policy lynch for me
- I'll leave him be

11. Psychic - Town Side of Null
- Questioning double masons having scum in it seemed logical

12. Aurelian - Wolf Side of Null
- Doesn't seem engaged yet

13. Alco - Null
- Has not posted

14. Black Pegged Dragon - LOCK Town
- LOCK town and town core

15. Big Man - Null
- Posted twice

16. PHEN0M - Town Side of Null
- Thought him challenging Ekko showed good initiative

17. Doddsy - Town Side of Null
- Seems too aloof right now (unless leaning into this after two scum games :O)

18. Evans - Wolf Side of Null
- His Tpein call out for Roman gif pinged me

19. Nevermind - Wolf Side of Null
- Calling out Flower early pinged me

20. Rugrat - Null
- Has not posted yet

21. Indigo - Lean Town
- Bold to be scum claiming mason second but not accusing Flower of being wolf

22. Ekko - Wolf Side of Null
- Didn't really understand why he argued with Ratchet over a joke
- Asked Gram for Lethal read despite Lethal having one post (the way Ekko talked I thought Lethal had more)

23. Tiara - Lean Town
- Tend to believe her mason claim
- Understand nervousness if mason partner unknown
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I'm not powerwolfing, I am asking legitimate questions on people's behaviors to gauge what's going on in the game.
 
Ultra said:
You're not "linked" to him, it's just that I have percieved relative low efforting. Honestly our interactions earlier don't factor in as much as just gauging how little you're actually doing proactively. If you object, well, feel free to refer to your own contributions
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Except I am. "One of Ratchet/Gram" ties the two of us together, by the rules of the language you're using actually. There is no reason to throw us both together because of "a lack of proactivity" or whatever latest buzzword you wish to employ to pretend it makes your argument, we should be two entirely independent reads. If one could be town and "low efforting" (not saying I am, just using your words) then so could the other, unless you think of course that effort levels are directly proportional between us for some reason.
 
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