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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

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OtherGalaxy

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@OtherGalaxy That's if it does get accepted and the Phases are completely and utterly separate from the Main Universe itself.
If they occupy the same space, it would still be Universal regardless just like in DBS.



Astaro literally compared them before and you know it! Don't you go and lie to me now.
well yeah im saying if
assuming evidence is provided in an upgrade thread and the billions of phases infinite worlds stuff is accepted, then mgs>ger

that said I’m not sure if separation is necesarily needed? 🤔 as a random example wouldn’t something like the infinitely layered dark tower or clockwork city in TES be examples of “one” cosmology thats internally really fucking big?

I guess the difference here is it’s specified to all be within one universe, but if they aren’t then it should be fair game
 

Darth Nihilus

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first, lay off the blunt for a bit :mjlol


secondly, gers power worked on both the present (erased) temporal universe and the future/time skipped one, and killing someone outside the flow of time is not the same as being reset to zero.

kc was the side effect of its time-skipping to a future time-locked universes is the present/past one gets temporarily erased. GER is multiversal in range and scope, GER does not need or give two shits about things like space, distance, reality, or concepts or actions. It can remove those all to the value of zero. It did this to Diavolo while technically erased from existence during KC's time erasure. That is why GER is a big deal.

I could imagine because in my mind they could be potentially erased period if not so if killed outside of time

That would have rammifications

Ok yeah, it erased his entire action

Erasing/Skipping time and moving outside of it is some major shit when thinking about it
 
the simplest way to look at it is that GER nulls actions or events

but even then willpower isn’t one of those and it nulls that too so


i give the fuck up :skully

That's why I go with "Truth" as it makes a hell of alot of sense for Willpower to have "Truth" just like Death.

How exactly did he compare them?

They're both layers of reality that hold their respective mythologies, but that's where the similarities end.

Phases by their very nature can't exist in the same plane/space as the normal physical universe, otherwise sparks & sprays resulting from their collision with each other and falling down onto the physical universe couldn't cause causality/fate to get fucked up so hard.

You don't remember when he asked me how Textures work in the Nasuverse to state that they are basically the same awhile back?!
You can't have your cake and eat it too, this is what I was warning you guys about doing shit like that.
And secondly, neither can Textures but we don't call them Universes in and of themselves either nor the same with Imaginary Space so what makes Phases so different?

well yeah im saying if
assuming evidence is provided in an upgrade thread and the billions of phases infinite worlds stuff is accepted, then mgs>ger

that said I’m not sure if separation is necesarily needed? 🤔 as a random example wouldn’t something like the infinitely layered dark tower or clockwork city in TES be examples of “one” cosmology thats internally really fucking big?

I guess the difference here is it’s specified to all be within one universe, but if they aren’t then it should be fair game

Phases was literally stated to be contained within one universe, that's why I find this whole thing to be ridiculous.
 

Paxton

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That's why I go with "Truth" as it makes a hell of alot of sense for Willpower to have "Truth" just like Death.



You don't remember when he asked me how Textures work in the Nasuverse to state that they are basically the same awhile back?!
You can't have your cake and eat it too, this is what I was warning you guys about doing shit like that.
And secondly, neither can Textures but we don't call them Universes in and of themselves either nor the same with Imaginary Space so what makes Phases so different?



Phases was literally stated to be contained within one universe, that's why I find this whole thing to be ridiculous.
Except that Phases and Textures have different degrees of clarification on how big they actually are, with the Heaven Phase iirc literally being stated to be superior to the universe in size (don't quote me on that though).

Didn't you yourself say that Textures were limited to the surrounding space around the planet within or w/e it was?

Seems pretty dissimilar to Phases having to layer on top/outside of the entire universe by their very nature, even ignoring the fact that Phase beings nuke the universe or at the very least distort that shit heavily via their presence along when manifested at full power in it.
So consider me doubtful that Phases are any less than a universe or at least equivalent.


And also.. when the hell was this stated?
I'm pretty sure you're confusing that with the statement of no parallel worlds existing, which isn't even a contradiction by the way.
 

Flowering Knight

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Imma say it right now Diavolo could have gotten a lot farther (still losing to GER tho) if plot didn't cause him to job so much.

Bro could have killed the entire main cast shortly after "killing" Bruno if he really wanted to tbh
 

Darth Nihilus

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Don't forget Diavolo doesn't just remove time, he also destroys Cause and Effect as well.

Yeah because you don't see it, only he can

and GER just resets it every time on auto defense

Then there's Diavolo

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Paxton

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after analyzing to ya how ger works

you realize now that, how strong ssj3 dio was, to neg ger, right? literally reality retcon punch'd and negated ger, he even released lolvolo from his loop, as side effect, just sheesh
I never disputed GER/OH Dio being strong as fuck though :mjlol
 
Except that Phases and Textures have different degrees of clarification on how big they actually are, with the Heaven Phase iirc literally being stated to be superior to the universe in size (don't quote me on that though).

See what I mean? So why even use them as comparisons in the first place like I told you back then? Did I also fail to mention a single Main Texture can house multiple entire Worlds on it like it was in the Age of The Gods period? You wanna know why we don't intend to go higher than that? Because we still want to make sure we don't just up and jump the gun like you are doing now.

Didn't you yourself say that Textures were limited to the surrounding space around the planet within or w/e it was?

No? Voyager spreads the Human Texture with his sheer existence and even before that, it spread very easily to the Moon and will overtake the Solar System in time.

And also.. when the hell was this stated?
I'm pretty sure you're confusing that with the statement of no parallel worlds existing, which isn't even a contradiction by the way.

No, I didn't contradict shit, I'm explicitly stating how our rules work and the Phases are still occupied within the same space as the Universe in To Aru, different dimensions don't matter, the shit isn't like a DC Universe or similar in the slightest.
 
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