Chrono Trigger respect & lore thread

[Stocking Anarchy]

The spectral children reveal all truths; the Time Devourer is a fusion of Lavos and Schala (when the dimensional vortex during the collapse of Zeal send her to the darkness beyond dimensions). There they evolved into the Time Devourer, the ultimate lifeform that could consume all of time and destroy all existence, but a young Serges cries made Schala remember her humanity again, and crossed time and dimensions to save him and the universe. This caused a magnetic storm which interfered with FATE's systems and leads Serge to the Frozen Flame. Kid is also revealed to be a clone of Schala.

https://static.chronocompendium.com/Black/Publications/crossscript.txt

[Lucca?]
So you finally made it, Serge... When did this sorry tale all begin...? Was it 10 years ago, when you almost drowned here? Or was it 14 years ago, when you were wounded by that panther demon that attacked you... ...resulting in you being carried to Chronopolis where you came into contact with FATE and the Frozen Flame...? Or perhaps it was even 2,400 years in the future, when the Time Crash hurled Chronopolis back to prehistoric times? Or even it could have been 12,000 B.C., when an ancient magical kingdom met its end after trying to use Lavos...? Each is close to being correct... And yet, at the same time, so far from the right answer!
The true beginning was during the destruction of the ancient Kingdom of Zeal! As the palace collapsed around her, Princess Schala was sucked into a dimensional vortex along with the Lavos Mammon Machine. Schala and Lavos became unified into one even more powerful entity that would evolve into the Devourer of Time. Filled with the hatred and sadness of Lavos, half of Schala's mind became set on destroying all of existence. Yet at the same time, the other half of her mind desired to save the universe and to be rescued herself. As Schala fell through the time gate in this condition, she heard your crying echoing through time... That is when her story and yours began to intertwine... It is also when the past and the future began to intersect, and when the world became divided into two...
Led by the pitiful crying the young Serge made as the panther demon's poison took hold of him... Princess Schala traveled ten thousand years in time to try and make contact with this dimension! This caused a raging magnetic storm that resulted in FATE's system malfunction, which led Serge to the Frozen Flame. Yes, Serge... The sound of your crying touched the heart of Princess Schala... Before the destructive mind- set could become dominant, she cloned herself and sent her copy into this dimension. Schala left her baby daughter-clone with her ancient pendant, possessing magical powers. This was to safeguard her daughter-clone in life-and- death situations. The pendant would rewind time a little, sending her daughter-clone into a safer point in the immediate past. That's right... Kid is Schala's daughter-clone!

[Kid]
You're wrong! I'm me! I ain't no Schala's daughter or clone!

[Lucca?]
...... Yes, that's right Kid! If that's how you feel... I think Princess Schala would have wanted it to be that way too!

[Kid]
......

[Lucca]
And now, about '"Project Kid"'... the time control project Belthasar planned out. The whole project existed to lead you to this one, special point in time! The founding of Chronopolis, the Time Crash, and the battle between FATE and the Dragon Gods... It was all coordinated so that you would get your hands on the Chrono Cross and come to this place! Of course, Kid was not to know anything about this whole plan until later, when all this will finish. Further in the future, Kid is meant to travel back ten years in time from now to save Serge from drowning. And then, Kid was also meant to call Serge into the other world as he spoke with Leena here on Opassa Beach! You're our last hope... Our final chance... Only you, who came into contact with Schala, and Kid, Schala's clone- daughter, can do it! In the darkness that exists on the other side of time, Schala has been integrated with the Devourer of Time! Please, Serge! Release Princess Schala from the binds of that monster and her own hatred! Show us, the life-forms that exist on this planet, what our new future will be...

[Kid]
......

[Lucca]
Sorry for making you sad, Kid... You see, we no longer exist in this time line. But it is a relief to see that you have grown into such a fine looking lady! But of course you're beautiful! After all... you're the Great Lucca's '"little sister!"'

[Kid]
...... Sis...

[Lucca?]
Well good luck, Kid! Give it your best shot! Show us, the life-forms that exist on this planet, what our new future will be...

The world where Serge drowned is the true reality, and the one where Serge survived is the false reality. Harle tricked Lynx into working together, and they abducted Lucca. Lynx's origin is also revealed; originally he was Serge's father Wazuki, but upon approaching the Flame his psyche was eroded and FATE took him over.

[Crono]
Where even angels lose their way... Ten years ago, you died at this very spot. There's no mistake. You drowned. The truth is, this world, in which you are still alive, is the irregularity... This is the false reality! Ten years ago, it was Lynx who tried to kill you at this beach. After Prometheus broke the link between FATE and the Flame, FATE tried to eliminate any obstacle that stood in its way! In the meantime, the six Dragons had sent Harle forth to try and gain possession of the Flame. Harle made contact with FATE's biological incarnation, Lynx, and tricked him into temporarily joining forces. The elimination of the Prometheus circuit's lock on the Frozen Flame was everyone's top priority! Lynx and Harle abducted Lucca, who alone could release the Prometheus lock that guarded the Flame... But the whole attempt only ended in failure. Then, they just waited for you to appear instead! You see, FATE calculated that you would one day cross the dimensions and try to make contact with the Flame. I don't know how to break this to you, but... Lynx was actually your father, Wazuki! Drawing closer to the Flame caused him to become unstable, and the image of you dying in terror changed him completely! Finally, after having his psyche totally eroded, he lost his soul and was easily integrated by FATE... FATE turned Wazuki into a biological interface, modelling him after your worst fear at the time -- a panther. Although Wazuki managed to escape from Chronopolis with you, he later completely succumbed to FATE. Humans are such fragile, disjointed, imperfect things. Love and hate... Life and death... Perhaps even FATE itself dreamed of using the Flame to some day reincarnate itself into a new species. It is quite sad, really... It's like when you gaze into the Flame, the Flame gazes back into you. It's now up to you to decide how you want to live. You are the new Chrono Trigger!

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Harle's ultimate element Lunairetic attack causes a lunar eclipse. All her exclusive elements are moon related, but this helps confirm that the celestial bodies don't just represent each Dragon, but the Dragons can control them.

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Ultranova unleashes an ultra dense energy attack. It sucks its target in then explodes on an astrological scale.

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Leah can throw boulders bigger than herself with enough force to create sonic booms.

 

[lokoxDZz]

Seeing the Harle feats made me remember that i feel she was done dirty by the writers it was one of my biggest qualms with the game.

Should every ending from Radical Dreamers and CC be treated as canon? Considering dreams are just different realities pretty much

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Seeing the Harle feats made me remember that i feel she was done dirty by the writers it was one of my biggest qualms with the game.

Should every ending from Radical Dreamers and CC be treated as canon? Considering dreams are just different realities pretty much

Most likely, as Magus in the DS version says "there are as many worlds as there are potentialities."

 

[lokoxDZz]

Most likely, as Magus in the DS version says "there are as many worlds as there are potentialities."

I haven't seem posts from Radical dreamers but i took this pic i took when i played, i just can't tell what "countless world overlap" would mean. I should check the original script in JP

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

I haven't seem posts from Radical dreamers but i took this pic i took when i played, i just can't tell what "countless world overlap" would mean. I should check the original script in JP

I'll have a look when I get to covering Radical Dreamers (which should be soon).

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

The Time Devourer is an infinite lifeform, and you must face it at the point of the timestream when all things are reduced to nothing.

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Using the Chrono Cross in order (casting yellow, green, red, blue, black, white then the Chrono Cross elements) will remove Schala from Lavos and rewrite reality, merging the two worlds back together and prevent the Time Devourer from ever existing.

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Schala is finally free, and says some strange metaphysical things. She says that each planet is like an egg with all the lifeforms on it being like spermatozoa, and when one of them inseminates a planet a new universe will be born (and evolve into the next dimension), which is the 'end point' of evolution. The two timelines merge back into one, and Serge will loose all his memories of his adventures, although he will still be alive.

https://static.chronocompendium.com/Black/Publications/crossscript.txt

[Schala]
I have been waiting an eternity... just for this very moment...~
Meaninglessly hurting one another... The disappearing life-forms...
The words that become deleted... The thoughts that become buried... The pool of cells that slowly evaporate... The echoes of consciousness that slowly fade...
Love to hate... Hate to love... Why are we born? Why do we die?
Evolution? The '"survival of the fittest?"' What is there to be achieved from harming one another... killing one another...
The '"eggs"' that we call planets... And the innumerable '"spermatozoa"' which gather around these that we call life-forms...
When one of those countless seeds inseminates a planet, a new universe is born.
But until that occurs, hundreds of millions of years will pass, and innumerable life-forms will be born, then die...
That is the be-all and end-all. Everything exists for that one moment. All so that the universe can evolve into the next dimension...
Does that make us all just pawns? Are each of our short lives nothing but a cheap sacrifice just so the one chosen life-form can be born?
No. That is not the case! Each and every one of us has a chance of becoming that one chosen life-form which inseminates a planet. Yes, it could be '"you"'...
Genes and environment... Each of us tries to do his best under the limited conditions we are each dealt.
Each life-form that attempts to eke out a decent life for itself forms a link in the golden chain that leads to the creation of a new universe.
If one link is missing, there will be no future.
There is no such thing as a useless life-form... No such thing as a pawn!
Every single thing in the whole of nature is perhaps just dreaming a dream of '"life"'...
All of them are also perhaps nothing more than a dream dreamt by the planet before it is born.
Oh, but yes... Eventually all dreams will return to Zurvan... to the sea of dreams...
Serge...! Don't go yet, Serge...!!! It's alright. Everything is alright now.
Time, which has been divided, will be unified again now.
The time for farewells has come... You will lose all memory of this whole adventure and return to your own time.
But this time, you will be able to live your own life!

Starky's people come and pick him up and take him back into space.

Starky:
Youu are gooing hoome, Serge? Starky am gooing hoome, too. My comrades are heere to pick mee up. Starky learned a lot from huumans. Youu are welcome, Serge.

Schala/Kid promises to find Serge again in the new timeline.

[Schala]
Thus the curtain closes on another tale.
An eternity has passed... Fleeting dreams fade into the distance... All that is left now Is me and my memories...
But I'm sure we'll meet again, Someday, you and I... Another place, another time.
It's just that we might not realize That you are you and I am me...
Let us open the door to the great unknown, Come across another reality, And live another today... Even when the story has been told, Life goes on...
Until we meet again, Take care of yourself, my friend...

Forever yours,
Schala "Kid" Zeal

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

In the void beyond dimensions during the final battle with the Time Devourer there are bubbles which contain images in them that seem to represent different (erased?) timelines.

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[Stocking Anarchy]

There are an infinite number of worlds.

https://static.chronocompendium.com/Black/Publications/crossscript.txt

[Doc]
There is an infinite number of worlds. The world we live in now is just one of the many...

In case it really must be hammered home, worlds are universes.

Spoiler

 

[lokoxDZz]

Serge will loose all his memories of his adventures, although he will still be alive.

Worth noting that Schala says that Serge was going to lose all his memories but he actually manage to keep them somehow.

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Worth noting that Schala says that Serge was going to lose all his memories but he actually manage to keep them somehow.

Yup, though abet as a dream (I wonder if that's also connected to his dreams start of game?)

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Also as one final note on Chrono Cross before I move onto Radical Dreamers, a mere fragment of Lavos being able to split one universe into two would absolutely scale back to the heroes of Chrono Trigger, who took out more than a mere fragment of Lavos.

 

[lokoxDZz]

Yup, though abet as a dream (I wonder if that's also connected to his dreams start of game?)

I feel like the reality where Serge defeated Lavos might have continued on somehow, we see an aftermath of creating a new reality where lavos is gone but radical dreamers and even CC show several types of different realities, some are completely non-sense and the ending seeing that Serge and Kid somehow got to "our world" makes me think its possible.

Also i'm pretty sure Serge remembering as a dream is also a reference to Radical Dreamers but i might be misremembering

I think Chrono might be one of few cases where "infinite possibiltiies" might actually mean something considering some stuff you see through the games.

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

I feel like the reality where Serge defeated Lavos might have continued on somehow, we see an aftermath of creating a new reality where lavos is gone but radical dreamers and even CC show several types of different realities, some are completely non-sense and the ending seeing that Serge and Kid somehow got to "our world" makes me think its possible.

Also i'm pretty sure Serge remembering as a dream is also a reference to Radical Dreamers but i might be misremembering

I think Chrono might be one of few cases where "infinite possibiltiies" might actually mean something considering some stuff you see through the games.

Is this the good ending?


In Chronopolis you find a computer terminal which reveals that Radical Dreamers is a third dimension, but it's possible Serge's dreams are still connected somehow.

 

[lokoxDZz]

Is this the good ending?


In Chronopolis you find a computer terminal which reveals that Radical Dreamers is a third dimension, but it's possible Serge's dreams are still connected somehow.

I think dreams are just complete different realities with their own timelines and shit more than just being a branch of the same reality, for example there is some endings on Radical Dreamers that Lavos is not even a thing.

Its interesting that Kid remember about the adventures in Radical Dreamers because Serge was a completely different person, that reality for her should be the same as Serge by the end "just a dream" but that they know it was real.

A random wild theory is that at some point Serge and Kid meet with the frozen flame and wished to keep meeting and it granted their wish for them to keep forever reincarnating and meeting each other.

 

[Paxton]

Also as one final note on Chrono Cross before I move onto Radical Dreamers, a mere fragment of Lavos being able to split one universe into two would absolutely scale back to the heroes of Chrono Trigger, who took out more than a mere fragment of Lavos.

So universal+ Chrono Trigger is real (which I did actually mention before )?

Damn, VSB really is somehow more accurate than SB most of the time

 

[lokoxDZz]

So universal+ Chrono Trigger is real (which I did actually mention before )?

Damn, VSB really is somehow more accurate than SB most of the time

I mean they fought Dream Devourer so they deserve it even if they lost the fight

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

So universal+ Chrono Trigger is real (which I did actually mention before )?

Damn, VSB really is somehow more accurate than SB most of the time

The Frozen Flame is multiversal actually (it could affect at least two universes), and that was just a fragment of Lavos. And as said by Loko, Crono and friends did fight the Dream Devourer, so he and co would be almost as powerful as Serge & Kid & friends.

I think dreams are just complete different realities with their own timelines and shit more than just being a branch of the same reality, for example there is some endings on Radical Dreamers that Lavos is not even a thing.

Its interesting that Kid remember about the adventures in Radical Dreamers because Serge was a completely different person, that reality for her should be the same as Serge by the end "just a dream" but that they know it was real.

A random wild theory is that at some point Serge and Kid meet with the frozen flame and wished to keep meeting and it granted their wish for them to keep forever reincarnating and meeting each other.

I'll let you know when I find anything (that or you can just check this thread for updates).

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

The barrier around Lynx's manor is surrounded by powerful counterspells.

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Magil is a powerful mage, and Serge describes him as being as if he's from another world.

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The Radical Dreamers come across a statue which bites you if you tell a lie with your hand in its mouth. Kid puts her hand in its mouth and is bitten.

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She escapes, and cracks the statue in several places in her attempt to get out.

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The cloth covering the mirror is blown off by itself, and the Radical Dreamers meet the spirit inside the Whispering Mirror (who manifests as a reflection of a statue of Venus).

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Magil has met Whispering Mirrors before, and explains that they are spirits which inhabit a mirror and are capable of moving between different mirrors on a whim.

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The Whispering Mirror spirit comes from the Realm of Mirrors, which lies on another plane of existence.

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The Mirror spirit was separated for her fellow spirits when travelling to the world of the Radical Dreamers, travelling from mirror to mirror.

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When leaving Lynx's room, Serge hears a voice saying that Lynx knows the Radical Dreamers (if it's the Mirror or something else is currently unknown).

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[lokoxDZz]

The barrier around Lynx's manor is surrounded by powerful counterspells.

Spoiler

Magil is a powerful mage, and Serge describes him as being as if he's from another world.

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The Radical Dreamers come across a statue which bites you if you tell a lie with your hand in its mouth. Kid puts her hand in its mouth and is bitten.

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She escapes, and cracks the statue in several places in her attempt to get out.

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The cloth covering the mirror is blown off by itself, and the Radical Dreamers meet the spirit inside the Whispering Mirror (who manifests as a reflection of a statue of Venus).

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Magil has met Whispering Mirrors before, and explains that they are spirits which inhabit a mirror and are capable of moving between different mirrors on a whim.

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The Whispering Mirror spirit comes from the Realm of Mirrors, which lies on another plane of existence.

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The Mirror spirit was separated for her fellow spirits when travelling to the world of the Radical Dreamers, travelling from mirror to mirror.

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When leaving Lynx's room, Serge hears a voice saying that Lynx knows the Radical Dreamers (if it's the Mirror or something else is currently unknown).

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Are you going to do every ending? They go 0 to 100 really fast