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Final Fantasy XIV Mafia - Game Thread

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The X

Marvelous
Why the town reads on cp and psychic?
Thought CP had some reads and posts I agreed with. Think he's showing some early solving and willingness to push the game forward. He's just a light town read.

I like Psychic's catchup posts and thought they had logic I could follow and didn't sense any ulterior motive. I thought her reads out her thoughts into the table nicely and I didn't really disagree with what she was saying not was there anything I couldn't really understand.
 

Aurelian

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For reference

The sum of this is that it’s delivered in such a way as to not incriminate scum actions - I feel the more natural thought process if you are town drawing such an abomination of a role is to question wtf you’re supposed to do with it, not proudly puff your chest out and declare it a town power role (that gives misleading results)

???
That was the role I was given by the game host.

What else am I supposed to do with it? You are implicitly suggesting it'd be better that I be caught lying about what I have and then further be incriminated about why I didn't fess up about what my role actually is? Are you high or just naturally inclined to be such a dishonest person that your expected rationale is all players should naturally lean into lying to survive?

There’s something Aurelian did which I think you’re all disregarding:


This is a clear attempt to diffuse the wagon by hinting a big 3 role (cop, vig, watcher) - he leans into it again later with the ‘aw shucks, sure hope I don’t have to claim’ post

Then there’s the functionality of his role. He said that any scum role he sees will report back as a town adjacent equivalent - I think this is a very shaky claim as I find it likelier it’s an I’ll-conceived fake meant to remove the burden of ever giving incriminating results - I don’t see any reason ratchet gives such a pointless role
You are projecting you absolute fucking muppet.

This is completely groundless on your part. Nowhere do I hint that I was a watcher, cop, or vig there. This is being pulled out of your ass with zero proof or evidence, just more bullshit. You are spinning wheels and still doing the gaslighting thing with the strawman arguments and putting claims where there are none that I ever mentioned, into my mouth, when I never did that.

Nowhere did I suggest being a cop.
Nowhere did I suggest being a vig.
Nowhere did I suggest being a watcher.

Here's the quote again for full context:
I'm not unduly bothered by you advocating for my lynch, even as misguided as it is. I'm more annoyed you are intentionally misrepresenting my entire response to X, then having the absolute nerve to say I'm taking your words and misusing them when you started this with a strawman about me calling X scum when I said it could be scummy. I'm not going to be lynched today either way and I know what my slot is.

You need, and have failed several times now, to explain how my actions are "blatantly" scum.
Can you explain how me stating I know what role is and it was my belief it would help prevent me from being lynched that it unequivocally translates into explicitly, without error, without any sort of mistranslation or anything else, that somehow conveys directly that its stating "I'm basically a cop/vig/watcher"?

No you can't.

Because this is more trite bullshit you've piled at me from your ass. No human being would read this and go "yeah Aurelian is hinting he's one of the big 3 town roles" at all here.
 

The X

Marvelous
where do u draw the line / how do u determine whether fang is "trying to fake or play like his town game" versus "fang is simply town playing his town game".. like how did u arrive to him faking it rather than simply being it


dont like this either. melkor asks lots of questions as scum. the number of questions is not how u read him, but rather the content of those questions. is this what u r referring to? how caught up r u with the game?
Because Fang jumped right into insults and seemed like he wanted to give off the air that he was 'aggressive' this game. I feel when Fang is town, there's a bit of 'misunderstanding' in his arguments. Last game, I backed away from him immediately because I felt he was misrepresenting what I was saying and the amount of seriousness I was saying things with, and I realized that was something he actually believed and that he wasn't understanding the situation. Here, he knew perfectly well what was going on, but just got stuck on loop with Gram saying the same thing over and over, trying to go back to the same thing because there was nothing else to say.

Yeah, I do think I'm someone who can read Melkor decently well; remember in the DCEU game I caught Melkor right away. I do think his questions this game were honest and I think his thought process feels natural here.
 

Grammaton

Consigliere
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That was the role I was given by the game host.

What else am I supposed to do with it? You are implicitly suggesting it'd be better that I be caught lying about what I have and then further be incriminated about why I didn't fess up about what my role actually is? Are you high or just naturally inclined to be such a dishonest person that your expected rationale is all players should naturally lean into lying to survive?


You are projecting you absolute fucking muppet.

This is completely groundless on your part. Nowhere do I hint that I was a watcher, cop, or vig there. This is being pulled out of your ass with zero proof or evidence, just more bullshit. You are spinning wheels and still doing the gaslighting thing with the strawman arguments and putting claims where there are none that I ever mentioned, into my mouth, when I never did that.

Nowhere did I suggest being a cop.
Nowhere did I suggest being a vig.
Nowhere did I suggest being a watcher.

Here's the quote again for full context:

Can you explain how me stating I know what role is and it was my belief it would help prevent me from being lynched that it unequivocally translates into explicitly, without error, without any sort of mistranslation or anything else, that somehow conveys directly that its stating "I'm basically a cop/vig/watcher"?

No you can't.

Because this is more trite bullshit you've piled at me from your ass. No human being would read this and go "yeah Aurelian is hinting he's one of the big 3 town roles" at all here.

Yes very easily - your confidence that you wouldn’t be lynched has to be derived from something, assuming it isn’t totally fake, which it now looks likely it was - however at the time, you fronting a power role seemed the only plausible reason, which is something magic explicitly said also

Your method of debate naturally makes you a more appealing lynch, which is something I am trying to bear in mind

Oh, and you get abusive on me one more time, I will tear you a new asshole, you understand me?
 

Aurelian

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Yes very easily - your confidence that you wouldn’t be lynched has to be derived from something
False, you are projecting again. That simple.
, assuming it isn’t totally fake, which it now looks likely it was
Wrong.
- however at the time, you fronting a power role seemed the only plausible reason, which is something magic explicitly said also
You both arrived at a wrong conclusion while spending the game buddying each other repeatedly isn't evidence of attesting your claim.
Your method of debate naturally makes you a more appealing lynch, which is something I am trying to bear in mind
My method of debate isn't situated for mafia games. However you continue to misconstrued my words is a problem when you invent things to produce lies about what I said.

Nowhere was it hinted I claimed having cop/watcher/vig at all in that quote of mine you tried to push out into ether as something else.
Oh, and you get abusive on me one more time, I will tear you a new asshole, you understand me?
How have I been "abusive" to you? My tone has been atride for stride to yours with me. Try it though and the consequences for you will go beyond this thread.
 

Grammaton

Consigliere
Moderator
False, you are projecting again. That simple.

Wrong.

You both arrived at a wrong conclusion while spending the game buddying each other repeatedly isn't evidence of attesting your claim.

My method of debate isn't situated for mafia games. However you continue to misconstrued my words is a problem when you invent things to produce lies about what I said.

Nowhere was it hinted I claimed having cop/watcher/vig at all in that quote of mine you tried to push out into ether as something else.

How have I been "abusive" to you? My tone has been atride for stride to yours with me. Try it though and the consequences for you will go beyond this thread.

Then ban me you thin skinned wanker, see if I give a fuck
 
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