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You're either being obtuse on purpose here or really not understanding my point. His goal of self preservation doesn't feel townie to me.
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Would you be willing to vote for Ultra today?
What about BPD and T-Pein? How are you feeling about them?
Cause I think your scum here too sunshine. Its day 2 and you still haven't done anything.
You realize I was playing SK as town right?
I have been going after alco though. Problem is he hasn’t shown up at all, so I can’t engage with him or get an claim and nobody else seems to care and I only got 2 votes one of which had already unvoted so the pressure just isn’t there. I’ve also not got a lot of time to play today so there’s only so much I can do, but your lack of interest in alco sticks out to me and I thought I could get your vote if I applied pressure to that but again you haven’t been interested at all which struck me as odd considering you are CONVINCED he is a Wolf. Your conviction doesn’t stack up to your actions as I said and I could quite easily see you and alco being aligned here as it just seems like you both tried to distance from each other without much conviction.
Seems like most of town is just happy to sleep walk into a melkor lynch full stop though which is annoying as fuck but it is what it is at this point.
I had melkor as town yesterday and came into today less confident of that but still having my gut think he is. I have read your and magic and whicker’s points about him though and they do have merit so now I’m just not sure, I can see him being scum and I don’t want to defend or try and stop his lynch and I have faith in magic when he’s this confident on a read so I’m giving him my support. I trust if he is wrong then he will return the favour tomorrow or take up my push if I’m dead and if he doesn’t then he’s probably scum!
Why are you ignoring that Conq has pretty blatantly implied that he has information on Ultra - you're complaining about the Melkor direction being slept into when we have an obviously more optimal lynch target that you're voting the counterwagon of! Sure Conq hasn't revealed whether it's actually a slam dunk or not, but that can be addressed when it's actually revealed, no?
I have no reason to trust Conq at all, I have ultra in my town reads and Conq has made it pretty clear that it’s hardly incriminating. I’m hoping what I think could be happening isn’t what’s actually happening because that would be annoying but par for the course on here. Like obviously it’s not a slam dunk or Conq wouldn’t be so weak about it, which is why I don’t really trust him
Why do you have Ultra as Town?
His entire play and stubbornness around RDK is basically how I expect him to play. Like to me your entire case is based around him doing exactly what I expect him to do as town and that I’ve seen him do countless times as town. I don’t really trust you either so there is that, and I didn’t mind the RDK push. There’s also the point that I just don’t know why he’d go out of his way to derail a melkor wagon to push RDK over the line regardless of what alignment melkor is. If melkor is scum then it’s obviously more likely ultra would be aligned but even then going out of his way to derail a wagon on a teammate and push a mislynch isn’t really how I’ve seen him operate as scum and if melkor is town then I don’t see what he gets out of doing that at all
Touching back on earlier I think Ratchet's play around Psychic has been pretty out-of-character/strange:
I don't trust him.
I remember he did the same walkbacking on being caught in a bad position in day 1 or day 2 in Ekko's JJK game when we were partnered scum around Broki's wagon too. Later in this post he addresses Melkor and his wagon a bit but I can't be assed at this point to double check where he was sitting regarding Melkor or RDK. Still gonna say I don't trust Ratchet at all and his statement that he would end the earlier day 2 post of his saying he wouldn't be surprised if he was killed for sussing me feels very forced.
So just an early town read on Psychic for ??? reasons.
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^Feels forced/performative, again dunno just seems like Ratchet is tiptoeing around Psychic's slot.
^More of the same progression; he plays tepid around her reads and interactions with Flower, himself, and Hime.
^Lethal even thought Ratchet's easy town reads on Flower and Psychic were suspect. Ratchet wants to use classic Psychic omgussing as evidence of her change and leaning town on her, again feels limp-wristed here.
^Just sort of pivots off Poyser's comment and slides back on going with Psychic's read. In regards the context here is Naomi subbing out and Lethal subbing in and Ratchet trying to justify his angle-shooting at scum reading the player while talking about previous one operating outside of their normal "behavior" but again contextually when this is applied back to how more then a few players have noted Psychic is playing very differently this game he doesn't address it.
^See this? In Melkor's game, when she got cagey early on being sussed by Ratchet, he immediately started to tunnel and dig into her and she was caught as scum day 1. Oddly Ratchet starts to HERE after both Ultra and Alco mentioned her progression started to get weird for the town reads and then after this Ratchet points out she was being too defensive.
I'm gonna be clear I'm not as strongly suspecting Psychic to be scum here after day 1 but I still feel trepidation and wariness around her in day 2 to an extent and the jist of my distrust is coming from the Ratchet angle and play around her. Also stuff like this being subtle emotional pleads don't help too much.I just saw this. Makes sense now.
How the hell did you know Vinegar was town, no way you tr that slot. You're scum with TMI.
Vigged this slot.
I just want to lead town to victory and I'm tired of being sussed and never being followed. I have accurate reads but no one ever follows my pushes.
Follow me to victory.
Don't act like I'm incapable of finding scum. I found you pretty easily in the other game.
Am I not allowed to be impatient? Plus people were rolling in too slowly. I was always going to vote LM, just waiting for his defenders.
Let's just put it this way, if LM was town....you know scum would of bw that slot already.
Vote LM with me.
^This again doesn't feel natural at all to me. He's playing the whole game in regards to Psychic by more or less holding her hand, baby stepping with her, and delicately giving interactions and almost seemingly input/advice when and where he can when she stumbles or fails to push her reads or cases through like with Melkor.
Ok? I do think a lot can be gleaned from a potential Ratchet flip, especially in regards to Lethal, Melkor, and Psychic and now Ultra.
I don't trust him.
^Alco throws hands, doesn't defend nor stick to deflecting pushes on Melkor's wagon. Puts a comment that shares my sentiment and a few other posters around the easy town reads Psychic had. Which leads to Ratchet questioning him about her:
Here^
^Ratchet shading me. Doesn't really elaborate much here and just parks his vote on Lethal when his own wagon was effectively neutered completely. There isn't much explanation on his part why my vote on Psychic was bad when Vinegar joined it (despite oddly claiming I am potentially scum partnered with her) while players were in droves dropping off Lethal's lynch from Poyser's play against it.
^See above. There was no chance in hell Lethal was going to claim when the wagon was dead from earlier. Pointless posturing.
I do like this from Alco too. As far as BPD is concerned I wouldn't trust his healer claim or the mechanic of rolecrushing his killer for the next night phase given Hime's flip and how similar the roles sound. BPD was happy to try and just move away Poyser and Gramm's suspicion around him but starts barking back harder when Alco focuses on him, weird heel-face reaction imo.
Also liked this post from Alco again. You can ISO his posts and search them by using Psychic's name, retraced his footsteps earlier in the thread and looked back and like I said earlier, he doesn't do much to either help or save Melkor from pressure and the feasibility he could've still been lynched.
Again a weak statement that's easily debunked. For one; Psychic was not "nearly universally townread" at all. Myself, Magic later on, Vinegar, Poyser, Alco, and Gramm were suspicious about her being town. Others made little to no comment like T-Pein, can't remember how Conq viewed her but this isn't true regardless of what he's saying. He talks big about how my vote being on Psychic most of day 1 and that I was posturing but nonetheless remains blind willfully and intentionally around the fact that Lethal's wagon was completely dead. Rules for me but not for thee I guess.
I remember he did the same walkbacking on being caught in a bad position in day 1 or day 2 in Ekko's JJK game when we were partnered scum around Broki's wagon too. Later in this post he addresses Melkor and his wagon a bit but I can't be assed at this point to double check where he was sitting regarding Melkor or RDK. Still gonna say I don't trust Ratchet at all and his statement that he would end the earlier day 2 post of his saying he wouldn't be surprised if he was killed for sussing me feels very forced.
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That's kind of the point, my dude.
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So did I somehow makeup a fake claim that is eerily similar to hime's or did Craig give me a fake that was eerily similar to hime's?
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Depending on how Ultra responds here and what Conq's info is, then I absolutely would. I did have a very slight town read I Ultra, but he's also lurked in the shadows and hasn't really interacted with many slots or do I really know where his head is at this game.
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Please tell me how you went after Alco more than I did? And if Alco isn't around, how on earth do you expect me to go after him? It's like your holding a double standard for me not going after him even though he hasn't been around nor can either of us do anything about pressuring him currently.
I don't think town is trying to sleep walk into a Melkor vote at all. Melkor's wagon did not move after five votes D1. He's actually being defenses D2 and still town read by some. I'm not sure where you get this impression? I also don't like how if Melkor flips town, that means Magic is wolf. Am I wolf of Melkor flips town as well? Are me and Magic mates?
@Cra
Ultra - 6 votes (Vinegar/Ratchet/Conq/T-Pein/Melkor)
Alco - 0 votes (Poyser and Whicker both moved their votes to LM)
@Hans Tweetenberg thoughts?
LM - 5 votes (Psychic/BPD/Magic/Whicker/Poyser)
Ultra - 6 votes (Vinegar/Ratchet/Conq/T-Pein/Melkor)
Alco - 0 votes (Poyser and Whicker both moved their votes to LM)
@Hans Tweetenberg thoughts?
I'm thinking its weird your healer role has you rolecrush your killer while Hime who successfully protects a player also reflexively rolecrushes their attacker. I'm also thinking its a strange coincidence she was killed night 1 and flipped that when you were in danger of being lynched day 1.
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Answer my question. Did I somehow makeup a claim that is similar to hime's on the spot or did Craig provide me a shit fake claim that is almost the same as a town role?
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