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I’m reading bachis iso and … I’m just not getting scum from it - there’s also lots of points recently where he’s proactively reading people he’d want to potentially mislynch as town, it’s not adding up for me
Either Flower changed her read on him after she was killed or she's silently screaming into a pillow at both of us, I can't wait to access dead chat
 
tbh im not too worried about any of that, i dont think anyone would say we havent tried and i think weve done alright to even get to this point given how the games gone
You believe I'm the last scum who will kill you and keep Nibel alive? If I am scum and not with Nibel, how would I have know who'd they clear last night?

Why would scum!frinckles kill a slot that I townread before and after the replacement? Who never once really put me in their PoE while also keeping a kill cop alive?

Why would I push my teammate magic so hard, only to back off of the slot because my townread thought they were also town and only to make myself look bad when they flipped scum?

Why would I advocate for my teammate Gad's lynch over RDK's on the basis that it was the mechanically correct way to resolve both? (It was by the way.)

Take your list and cover up my damn name for 5 minutes and actually think about who is screwing you over.
 
Because unless Xeno is scum throwing out red herrings for town to follow, I think it comes from a good place. I don't think you disagree.

If he was scum doing it, he could have elaborated in one of a thousand different ways to throw off town - particularly for players who haven't watched the anime or movie or whatever it is.

Honestly I'd be guilty of doing that but I was just reading off a wiki and I develop a mafia mod/game so yeah.

What if both of them left the thread to go to mafia chat together?
Hypothetical that's hard to prove and one that is weird to explore
I don't agree necessarily but I'll take your word for it for two reasons

I disagree with you but your posts are consistent with what you're saying considering.

Scum can be excited about flavor too.
Re: Xenos
They sure can and as stated they can just hide behind setup talk the whole time but it was him hypothizing about potential role/character combos that made me feel as though he's excited town opposed to scum trying to hide behind flavour spec.
Strengthening the possibility of scum Xenos based on his flavor spec and past experiences (doesn't make it true)
So then would you say you agree with Jinri or Hayumi more? That it's generally scum motivated or NAI?

The former. If someone is just talking about setup talk the entire time they're more than likely to be scum. There are some exceptions(I believe rej did it on a game on here but he didn't exclusively hunt off setup).

Setup spec is a way to hide behind pushing silly shit or switching positions on a wagon with little to no thought required in terms of scum/town motivations.
Again, hateboner for setup spec - could be discounting it and pushing the theory that there's a higher probability of people speculating the setup to discredit it, which could be indicative that Xenos is very close to piecing it together
Where are you going with this frickles? Is this apart of your APPROACH?
Noting the bolded as these types of words sticking out intrigue me
Yes but you answered sufficiently and avoided my trap cards. Wanted a mention on how Xeno actually provided meta reads but I'm pretty much good with this because it's not worth making D1 about.
Backing off, maybe because it didn't gain any traction
I'm debating whether the bolded section is some form of TMI and I don't really much else from this slot. Hope voting tags work since I can't find a button! [vote]bachi[/vote]
This post isn't really damning and I'm not gonna use it as a basis for what Frinckles' might be doing, but it was incredibly odd
you vote by bolding. there is no formal vote button.

Okay thanks.

Vote Bachi
His vote on Nacho
Well, you two will be whacked before basically anyone else in the game right now so I'm willing to wager you're not snowing anyone.
Possibly a hidden in plain sight statement
Was scum!retro whiteknighting town!nibel?

Was scum!magic pillow pushing a scum!nibel and then switched off because the theatrics weren't clicking and scum!aurelion gave him an out?

Was town!Jinri considering these possibilities and seeking answers or just wolfing and saying the right things?

Just solved the whole game btw.
Another possible TMI post under the guise of being facetious with some tells he had some info that we didn't (Jinri, as we weren't sure where she stood in the earlier stages of the game.) Also applies to him reciting Aurelian's move.
He doesn't indicate himself here, obviously. Joke would've been funnier if he did.

Not really a strong argument, just a thought. Interesting to frame my defense of Nipple as white knighting.


Same. D1 accuracy is gonna be a bit shaky until the 3 low-posters and the 3 no-posters chime in. Undoubtedly, scum has some presence here. I don't think it's in Harumi/Xeno/Jinri powerwolfing to get ahead of the town (yet lmao.)

I'm fine with voting Bachi as of right now.
Yet, which implies he's leaving future scum reads on them open if scum manages to shift the wagon on them.
My point was that basically the entire nibel thing rolled off as whack to me. anyway dinner time be back later
Counterwagon was equally whack
what do you think of tweet thus far

fake scumhunting can be hard for scum players. as a way to blend in and look like they're contributing, they can hide behind things like setup talk or meaningless role spec. it allows them to escape from having to make genuine considerations about if a player is, for example, voting someone on credible cases/genuine thoughts.


why do you not think it's those 3 in particular? you seem familiar with jinri and harumi and harumi warned to be cautious on giving junri easy town reads yet you seem to give all 3 players you're familiar with an easy pass here.
Echoing similar sentiments to Frinckles'. Magic could simply be mirroring him here, however.

But he also was likely aware he needed some synchrony in the future rather than placing Frinckles' in his scum pile which would later be picked apart. It's much harder for scum to give definitive scum reads and later have to walk back on them. But if they share similar viewpoints, they can just make them trusting their read on their mate as an explanation because it's hard to disprove.
I think if I were scum trying to do that I'd use different language but that's not really what makes me townlean them.


Powerful subtle shade.:doge
He's aware of the linguistic aspects in Mafia, so +1 for knowing what's he's doing
Are you familiar or unfamiliar with those players?

I'm assuming the pinging comes from the nibel interaction or was there something else? If the former I have a question

I'm not familiar with anyone here to my knowledge.

And yes, the Nibel interaction.
Also possibly a setup to debunk other's spidey senses on whether this is a contributing factor to his play. You can easily handwave "eh, the guy is lost, cut him some slack." But this isn't his first rodeo.
Correct me if I misunderstood you in my last post. But to be more clear, of all the slots that goofed around with Nibel (regardless of nib's alignment) Magic and Retro stand out the most to me.
And the more interesting aspect of his exchanges with Magic: me

Shading Magic along with a townie can build toward a mislynch. Some other similar argument was also previously used when Gram's read on me started deteriorating - which would assist in wagoning me the next day and going along with people's doubt on my slot.

This is from a POV that Frinckles is scum and simply a slippery eel. These could also just be his town characteristics and the simple answer is he's out of his usual environment so his reads would be weak. I can't assume that these are *his* scum characteristics, just that they might be scum characteristics in general.

Now, next post I'm gonna move onto the VC and wagon
 
You believe I'm the last scum who will kill you and keep Nibel alive? If I am scum and not with Nibel, how would I have know who'd they clear last night?

Why would scum!frinckles kill a slot that I townread before and after the replacement? Who never once really put me in their PoE while also keeping a kill cop alive?

Why would I push my teammate magic so hard, only to back off of the slot because my townread thought they were also town and only to make myself look bad when they flipped scum?

Why would I advocate for my teammate Gad's lynch over RDK's on the basis that it was the mechanically correct way to resolve both? (It was by the way.)

Take your list and cover up my damn name for 5 minutes and actually think about who is screwing you over.

What’s your contention here? That nibel is scum?
 
This is from a POV that Frinckles is scum and simply a slippery eel. These could also just be his town characteristics and the simple answer is he's out of his usual environment so his reads would be weak. I can't assume that these are *his* scum characteristics, just that they might be scum characteristics in general.

Now, next post I'm gonna move onto the VC and wagon

Well, if my solve is correct, I technically pushed Magic and Bachi first. So I was 2/4 D1.
 
My brother in Christ, your argument falls flat because just like you don't know us, we can't mindread what you'd do, we can't assume you'd operate under the assumption of how you think it'd be a bad move

There's no way to prove what you're saying aligns with your scumplay because we have no frame of reference here

It can be argued that you didn't look bad at all in hindsight - most of us shifted the read on you after the wagon. Others remained uncertain what your alignment may have been. Just because you may have not risked town perception of you doesn't mean scum would allow it, either. When rolling scum, you're working on a team, and said team has to sign off. If they have someone go rogue because the rest of the mates wanted to go for a different tactic instead, it disrupts team cohesion. Last thing any scum team would want.

As for GAD, you look better off imho. You can avoid accountability by refusing to vote RDK and pull away from Town's plan, which is pretty damn easy to do.
GAD was done. Of course his mate were stuck having to bus him in order to train credibility and influence perception that they're solving.
 
What’s your contention here? That nibel is scum?
Do you scumread Nibel over Bachi?

Ok, so why is Nibel being alive evidence of your innocence but not bachis?
I said either could be scum. I'm leaning Bachi, mostly because Gad pushed the shit out of Nibel on D1.

The easiest solve fmpov is that Nibel is the good guy, found mafia yesterday and town today and the game is over. Unfortunately, that happens like once every three games for me.
 
Do you scumread Nibel over Bachi?


I said either could be scum. I'm leaning Bachi, mostly because Gad pushed the shit out of Nibel on D1.

The easiest solve fmpov is that Nibel is the good guy, found mafia yesterday and town today and the game is over. Unfortunately, that happens like once every three games for me.

No, I scumread you over bachi, and your theory that either of them could be scum does little for me going into a final 4 situation
 
My brother in Christ, your argument falls flat because just like you don't know us, we can't mindread what you'd do, we can't assume you'd operate under the assumption of how you think it'd be a bad move

There's no way to prove what you're saying aligns with your scumplay because we have no frame of reference here

It can be argued that you didn't look bad at all in hindsight - most of us shifted the read on you after the wagon. Others remained uncertain what your alignment may have been. Just because you may have not risked town perception of you doesn't mean scum would allow it, either. When rolling scum, you're working on a team, and said team has to sign off. If they have someone go rogue because the rest of the mates wanted to go for a different tactic instead, it disrupts team cohesion. Last thing any scum team would want.

As for GAD, you look better off imho. You can avoid accountability by refusing to vote RDK and pull away from Town's plan, which is pretty damn easy to do.
GAD was done. Of course his mate were stuck having to bus him in order to train credibility and influence perception that they're solving.
It works both ways.

But lacking a frame of reference doesn't instantly make my actions scummy. My point is the PoE is whack at the moment.
 
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