Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[King of time]

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[Paxton]

No part of that quote says that multiple beings are needed to produce either of those effects though, just that the effects would occur after they're summoned.

It wouldn't even make sense for multiple to be necessary, when we know a similar being to them (Gabriel) causes the same effect when manifested in a weakened state.


Hell, the text before that paragraph even compares the manifestation of these beings to the usage of pure elements, which themselves are also things beyond the scope of the surface world.

Just as ultra-pure water created by thoroughly removing all impurities behaved differently from normal water, the phenomena created by “cutting off a portion of space to obtain a unique color” had tremendous power.

You'd also have to argue they can't survive their own presence destroying shit, which is uh.. questionable, to say the least.

True Gremlin has the same "can destroy the world with just their presence" quotes too, funnily enough.


Things point to Magic Gods not being the pinnacle of the series once again..

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sosp-madara-naruto-vs-golden-oozaru-goku-dbgt.1145318/

 

[King of time]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sosp-madara-naruto-vs-golden-oozaru-goku-dbgt.1145318/

 

[Gordo]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sosp-madara-naruto-vs-golden-oozaru-goku-dbgt.1145318/

@Blade @Crimson Dragoon

What a nice and balanced match-up we have here

 

[Salfarc]

@Xhominid The Apex

What R S said

Here's this in the simplest way I can put it.

Claim:
Jim doesn't need to bend his legs to jump, McDonald's fast food menu says so

Counter argument:
Here's a link to the McDonald's fast food. It doesn't say this.

Do you think because the McDonald's fast food menu doesn't make an explicit claim that Jim needs to bend his legs to jump that it serves as evidence that he doesn't need to?

Let's substitute that argument to the debate.

Claim:
Cu doesn't need to move when casting, see when he breaks his arm when throwing gae bolg and immediately begins healing

Counter argument:
The scene you referred to doesn't say that

If you think this cutscene serves as evidence for Cu not needing to move while casting, you think Mcdonalds fast food menu serves as evidence for Jim not needing to bend his legs while jumping.

Edit:
Simpler way.

Negative claims need evidence sometimes. I don't think the scene nodragon referred to is proof of Cu not needing movement to cast.

He is equating "Story not saying a character doing something to cast a rune" to "a fastfood menu not saying a random man can bend his knee", Therefore if that random man can bend his knee, Cu also need to make movement to cast rune.

Do you get this logic? That's a trick question because there is no logic here.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

@Xhominid The Apex

What R S said


He is equating "Story not saying a character doing something to cast a rune" to "a fastfood menu not saying a random man can bend his knee", Therefore if that random man can bend his knee, Cu also need to make movement to cast rune.

Do you get this logic? That's a trick question because there is no logic here.

I have to do it double time because while I did see it, I refused to read it because it already sounded stupid as fuck and I am glad I read it... because it proves how absolutely stupid that is.

So his point in bringing up how Appealing to Ignorance is a good rebuttal against bringing in actual evidence... is to basically show he has no idea how the fallacy actually works or can work in his case...
When the entire point is that it only works in the case of you not simply knowing but not having the ability to research it.

It's like he doesn't understand how logic works but tries and desperately pretends he understands it at the same time and he wonders why no one ever seriously argues for Overlord.

 

[Astaro]

No part of that quote says that multiple beings are needed to produce either of those effects though, just that the effects would occur after they're summoned.

It wouldn't even make sense for multiple to be necessary, when we know a similar being to them (Gabriel) causes the same effect when manifested in a weakened state.

It brings up Angel Fall first as the least worst outcome, which makes sense since that was just planetary scale reality warping. To then it potentially escalating to the entire world being destroyed

Hell, the text before that paragraph even compares the manifestation of these beings to the usage of pure elements, which themselves are also things beyond the scope of the surface world.

Stuff literally God’s Right Seat pulls off. And as both Anna Kingsford and CRC both showed, perfectly ordinary Magic available to any mage can trump this sort of stuff if the user has enough sheer skill to raise it to that degree

You'd also have to argue they can't survive their own presence destroying shit, which is uh.. questionable, to say the least.

True Gremlin has the same "can destroy the world with just their presence" quotes too, funnily enough.


Things point to Magic Gods not being the pinnacle of the series once again..

True Gremlin as each member doing it individually. And to the point where they need to divide their power infinitely so as to not do so

 

[Paxton]

It brings up Angel Fall first as the least worst outcome, which makes sense since that was just planetary scale reality warping. To then it potentially escalating to the entire world being destroyed


Stuff literally God’s Right Seat pulls off. And as both Anna Kingsford and CRC both showed, perfectly ordinary Magic available to any mage can trump this sort of stuff if the user has enough sheer skill to raise it to that degree


True Gremlin as each member doing it individually. And to the point where they need to divide their power infinitely so as to not do so

Angel Fall affected the entirety of the Four Worlds, not just the planet though.

None of God's Right Seat ever use the pure elements.
And pure elements aren't even things "any mage" can do.
Aleister's equal (at least as of New Testament), Mathers, couldn't even use them.



Each individual calamity summoned by Dainsleif can perform the world destruction.
Again, I'm not seeing anywhere in that quote (or the entire volume, and trust me, I've checked) where it says that multiple NEED to be present to cause either of those effects.


Regardless let's not talk about this in this thread anymore

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/can-alcides-f-sf-clear-the-tomb-of-nazarick-overlord-on-his-own.1143070/page-19?post=98977829#post-98977829

alternatively the time will stop as soon as he is near or in the tomb

I clearly remember a random assortment of Adventurers just wandered into the Tomb and they wasn't immediately Time Stopped. And if you try and tell me "Well Ainz was expecting them and had them shut it all off for the lulz", I will virtually deem all Overlord fanboys, the dumbest motherfuckers I know.

Then Ainz will tgoalid when it time stop and then kill him with an AOE spell while he has the body of the effugilent whatever its name was.

Okay seriously, which is it? Like real talk, I know this is between Nyarly and TheOneBellowAll but it's getting like 500 levels of retarded that they are not only inventing shit, but also contradicting how Ainz would act:

Ainz would just stay in the Bottom level of Nazarick and wait it out and plan ahead until Alcides gets there
Nah, Ainz would immediately appear and do a bunch of shit and just win

Because all that really means is that Alcides just snipes the motherfuckers who stupidly teleport in on his ass.

Even if he gets hit in the split second time stop isn't up, he will use the buff he cast to negate the damage once.

So somehow, Ainz is going to use a buff that will negate talking damage once... to deal with Alcides Arrows? The Arrows that are filled with Hydra Venom? Empowered by Divine Energy as it comes from the Greek Pantheon? That are cascading with Grail Mud?
At this point, I feel this person doesn't understand the concept of NLF...

Afterwards he will do this again with several possible combinations, such as using wish to steal Zesshi's talent or to reset the CD of the TGOALID.

So this is basically just pure fanfiction at this point and absolutely awful ones at that right?

Or they can just make a frozen or lava hellscape and trap him in there while he is busy fighting an extremely strong army since it scales off of him.

Alcides fell into lava and it did nothing(Hell, it did nothing for 3 Servants below Alcides) and Servants have already shown to no sell being hit by -100 Degree Celsius cold so I don't believe anyone in Overlord can do anything hotter...

EDIT: Funny enough, someone asked ChatGPT if you can react to an arrow moving faster than Lightning from 20KM away like SB loves to say you can... SPOILER ALERT, the hell you can.

The speed you mentioned for the arrow, 55.56 km/s, is extremely fast. To put it in perspective, that speed is over 150 times the speed of sound in air.

In practical terms, it's highly unlikely that a human could react in time to dodge an object moving at that speed, especially at a distance of 100 meters.

Human reaction speed varies, but on average, a person takes about 250 milliseconds (0.25 seconds) to react to a visual stimulus. At the speed you mentioned, the arrow would cover 100 meters in approximately 0.0018 seconds, much faster than a person could react.

Therefore, based on these figures, a human would not be able to dodge an arrow traveling at 55.56 km/s from a distance of 100 meters.

 

[Astaro]

Angel Fall affected the entirety of the Four Worlds, not just the planet though.

None of God's Right Seat ever use the pure elements.
And pure elements aren't even things "any mage" can do.
Aleister's equal (at least as of New Testament), Mathers, couldn't even use them.



Each individual calamity summoned by Dainsleif can perform the world destruction.
Again, I'm not seeing anywhere in that quote (or the entire volume, and trust me, I've checked) where it says that multiple NEED to be present to cause either of those effects.


Regardless let's not talk about this in this thread anymore

 

[Salfarc]

It also does not show he doesn't need movement. The nature of fgo cutscenes means that detail isn't touched on. It's an irrelevant scene for the matter at hand, like how the McDonald's menu is irrelevant.



The scene doesn't show anything. It skips over it. Like how all of fgo skips over movement mechanics since they're stagnate 2d models.

No, it doesn't. My logic is "this video doesn't conclusively prove it either way". If someone posted a YT clip that clipped out Excalibur and then said it was evidence for anything Excalibur related, then it wouldn't be. Doesn't matter what the claim is, it needs proof.



It doesn't support it because it doesn't comment either which way. That's my entire logic. You agree that if someone mentions something as evidence, and that evidence doesn't touch on their topic at all, then it's not evidence right?

It's still going. "I will show a video where it doesn't say Cu make a movement to cast rune to debunk a claim that Cu doesn't make movement to cast rune" and "just because it doesn't say doesn't mean its not needed"

 

[Blade]

@Blade @Crimson Dragoon

What a nice and balanced match-up we have here

they cant beat anime raditz, let alone gt tier chars

 

[Blade]

its worrying though that sb knows somewhat the gt powerscaling and they can make some solid posts about them, meanwhile, they still got horrible takes like sukuna > mha or tanjiro > nasu servants

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

It's still going. "I will show a video where it doesn't say Cu make a movement to cast rune to debunk a claim that Cu doesn't make movement to cast rune" and "just because it doesn't say doesn't mean its not needed"

I mean, I can show them the Manga pages where Cu Castercasually can slap Runes on motherfuckers like he did with Mash vs. Medusa Lancer...
Like this is not just getting pathetic, it's beginning to just be ludicrous.

EDIT: This whole thing is beyond stupid anyway considering he fought fucking MELUSINE on two occasions and Cernunnos. He also is Odin's Pseudo-Servant and Envoy at the same time, I do not understand in the slightest how, some-fucking-how, Cu Caster is more incompetent than normal Cu, let alone Cu Alter because his opponent is Ainz(Again, I don't even know how ASTOLFO loses despite him having literal counters to Ainz or how Medea loses considering she makes him her bitch or Spartacus either).

 

[Salfarc]

I mean, I can show them the Manga pages where Cu Castercasually can slap Runes on motherfuckers like he did with Mash vs. Medusa Lancer...
Like this is not just getting pathetic, it's beginning to just be ludicrous.

EDIT: This whole thing is beyond stupid anyway considering he fought fucking MELUSINE on two occasions and Cernunnos. He also is Odin's Pseudo-Servant and Envoy at the same time, I do not understand in the slightest how, some-fucking-how, Cu Caster is more incompetent than normal Cu, let alone Cu Alter because his opponent is Ainz(Again, I don't even know how ASTOLFO loses despite him having literal counters to Ainz or how Medea loses considering she makes him her bitch or Spartacus either).

C'mon, Just because Cu doesn't show to make Naruto handsign to do anything, doesn't mean he doesn't do it. It just got skip. fr fr.

 

[King of time]

 

[King of time]

 

[Paxton]

Aleister vs Yhwach

Battle takes place here but is night (no people around) Aleister vs Yhwach Aleister with Blood Sacrifice Yhwach with The Almighty Both are in character They start out 40 meters apart from each other. Speed Equalized No knowledge nor prep time for both. VOTES: Aleister: Yhwach...

vsbattles.com

 

[Paxton]

max wank Yhwach looks into a truly infinite amount of futures at once
that just causes him to amplify Aleister's stats/magic even further via Blasting Rod
Because it's exponential growth, Yhwach gets outstatted in a matter of seconds and gets atomized across the universe