My brother in Christ, you are literally performing a double negative.
Memento Mori has shown no feats of it working as stated... so we should believe it works as stated?!
That's a literal NLF and you should know that's the case.
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My brother in Christ, you are literally performing a double negative.
Memento Mori has shown no feats of it working as stated... so we should believe it works as stated?!
That's a literal NLF and you should know that's the case.
That's literally not how "NLFs" work.
The statement of what it does isn't contradicted, so it does exactly as it is stated to do.
Nothing more, nothing less.
It erases things from existence that it hits.
There's no extrapolation being done here.
The statement of what it does isn't contradicted, so it does exactly as it is stated to do.
Nothing more, nothing less.
It erases things from existence that it hits.
There's no extrapolation being done here.
Yes, that's absolutely how NLFs work...
No it didn't, it never demonstrated at all what it can do and all we got is a statement of what it can do. That's the absolute definition of a NLF as you are defining that it must work when it failed in it's only use, how it did so does not demonstrate otherwise as we have no idea how it would actually affect anyone.
My brother in Christ, you are basically saying that Memento Mori should be able to affect anyone when it affected no one in it's sole use...
The fact you can't understand that's a walking NLF is absolutely absurd.
Like hell if I’m gonna argue any further when it comes to Fairy Tail
It failed in it's only direct use against someone who could literally nullify the curse itself.
This doesn't support your point.
The attack that's stated to erase things would in fact erase people who haven't demonstrated the capability to withstand attacks that do just that.
That's how this works.
Your entire argument is literally arguing for something that hasn't worked because it was stopped so we should fully believe it can kill anyone and everyone it touches right down to their soul... with nothing showing that otherwise?
And you somehow don't think that's a NLF? Sure bud, you really have pulled a damn good reason out of your ass there.
It's stated to do a thing, and is not contradicted, so it can do the thing it is stated to do.
"Imagine Breaker nullifies powers" is not a NLF.
"Imagine Breaker can nullify any power it encounters" is a NLF.
"Mahoraga adapts to things" - is not a NLF.
"Mahoraga can adapt to anything" - is a NLF.
A "NLF" implies that I'm extrapolating beyond what is shown or stated.
And I'm not.
"Imagine Breaker nullifies powers" is not a NLF.
"Imagine Breaker can nullify any power it encounters" is a NLF.
"Mahoraga adapts to things" - is not a NLF.
"Mahoraga can adapt to anything" - is a NLF.
A "NLF" implies that I'm extrapolating beyond what is shown or stated.
And I'm not.
I already shared it beforehand.
As El Hermano stated in his post, Fairy Tail hasn't grown stronger since the Time Skip according to us, Farsith is just throwing shit out and pretending they got majorly stronger when they haven't. Even the feat they constantly use for Natsu being Country level is suspect as shit(as while Aldoron is the size of a Country, he was DRAMATICALLY weakened by the time Natsu killed his core and him).
Oh wait you mean what take me so long about R S? I'd still want to give benefit of the doubt they'd grow past their downplaying selfha It will go nowhere as I am sure you know, but might as well give them credit if they improve.
ha It will go nowhere as I am sure you know, but might as well give them credit if they improve. You know damn well that will never work my dude, I have had that experience to realize they never will change, just contradict themselves.
That's exactly what I have stated for years because that's all they can do. It's funny because the games itself explicitly state that just like it's legend, Caladbolg is able to destroy 3 Hilltops on a MISSED SWING and no one knows how strong a non-miss truly is which is what Caladbolg is built on both ways.
Makes perfect sense otherwise R S would blatantly lie so badly.
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So you literally don't understand at all anything you stated and still crash and burn didn't you?
Here's the thing: We got exactly how Imagine Breaker and Mahoraga works not just by statements but by actual feats.
We work explicitly on Feats > Statements with Statements only mattering when the Feat fits the statement itself. Memento Mori has no feats at all and thus it does nothing, there is nothing there and statements are just that, nothing without the feat.
Its stated to do a thing and failed to do so the time it was used IIRC. I dont know if it was used any other times since I dont read fairy tail but yeah it sounds like its got nothing going for it EXCEPT statements.
and if statements were all you needed to prove ability then we would be going crazy with all kinds of shit
You cant compare it to IB because IB has multiple, on top of multiple examples of how it works and shit
Same thing with Maho though not as many examples there are still examples
A NLF is assuming theres no maximum given a minumum.
And an explanation was given: Demon Slayer Magic has the ability to nullify curses, such as Memento Mori.
That's the only reason it didn't erase the one person it was used on.
"and if statements were all you needed to prove ability then we would be going crazy with all kinds of shit"
Like what though?
And then he died afterwards right? So other than that we dont know anything else about it besides 2 things
Statement: It erases people from existence
Feat: Doesnt work on people who can nullify curses
Thats all we got and its not much at all
Give you a couple
Solar the man of atom: "Everything is Energy therefore I can manipulate everything"
If all I needed was this with no backing then I could have him do whatever the fuck I wanted
Ihiko: "As long as he doesnt recognize it as an attack it wont work"
Guess I dont need to provide proof, Gokus Kamehameha does nothing to him
Kirby has infinite energy/power
The only thing we have for this is statements but fuck you if you think I'm gonna sit here and let people attempt to claim infinite power kirby
Yall niggas be underestimating just how bullshit things can get if you ONLY needed statements
The difference for Iihiko/Solar is that, if I were talking about them I'd say "the former can nullify attacks by not recognizing them, and the latter manipulates energy"And then he died afterwards right? So other than that we dont know anything else about it besides 2 things
Statement: It erases people from existence
Feat: Doesnt work on people who can nullify curses
Thats all we got and its not much at all
Give you a couple
Solar the man of atom: "Everything is Energy therefore I can manipulate everything"
If all I needed was this with no backing then I could have him do whatever the fuck I wanted
Ihiko: "As long as he doesnt recognize it as an attack it wont work"
Guess I dont need to provide proof, Gokus Kamehameha does nothing to him
Kirby has infinite energy/power
The only thing we have for this is statements but fuck you if you think I'm gonna sit here and let people attempt to claim infinite power kirby
And THEN the respective feats/statements besides those would be brought up
Saying the power does X is not the same thing as saying "it can do anything in regards to X"
and there's no other way to visibly demonstrate something as specific "removing the concept of life and death" from someone and erasing them from existence entirely
because even vaporization from a strong attack can appear to do so to the naked eye
And they would still have feats to back up those statements and if they don't, we don't bring it up because it's featless... this isn't hard to grasp.
Yes it does because if all we have is a statement, then we have nothing to back up that statement and we are stuck with how far does it go, who does it affect and so on and so forth.
And don't give me "Zeref wouldn't be affected" because Memento Mori wasn't used on him, he just deemed Tartoros a failure at random and killed Mard and the Book they all came from, that's not a feat either.
Okay so by that logic, Mard Geer's Memento Mori can kill Accelerator right? As well as Aleister Crowley and those on the same wavelength? There's no proof it can do it and nothing at all saying it cannot either right? Because it either erases stuff from existence or it doesn't right?
I mean wow, I didn't realize it can kill beings like IIhiko to ORT to the Demi-Fiend with that logic.
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Zeref verbatim says that Mard Geer wouldn't have been able to kill him with Memento Mori.
And yeah, if it hits Accelerator and Aleister and they do nothing about it, it would erase them from existence, because they have no inherent resistance to such an ability.
Thankfully, the ability does visibly travel so they'd be able to dodge it with ease, among other things.
Why you bring up Iihiko who can be unaffected by powers he doesn't recognize (essentially power nullification), ORT who probably has some form of resistance to existence erasure, and Demi-Fiend who also has a similar sort of resistance given how Almighty attacks in SMT work, I have no clue.
All of these characters have an out against the ability in some way shape or form.
So like I said: either you have an out against the ability when hit by it or you don't.
Nah see, I said statements only. If there were not feats if we took statements as the only thing, Which is what this Memento Mori shit has for the most part, shit would just boil down to "are you faster?" otherwise GG you lose no debate needed, dont need feats.
I mean Zeno has shown how he deletes shit from existence, Beerus too with Hakai so this is just wrong.
Though tbf to be wiped from existence TRULY one would also need to be wiped from all of history as well as people memories and all.
I havent seen a single person get vaporized and then someone go "Yeah i wiped you from existence"because even vaporization from a strong attack can appear to do so to the naked eye
Again it needs the feats still. Just a statement wont work.
All Fiction is a better version of this and we can make the claim of "It works or it doesnt" because he has the feats to back up his statement of erasing whatever the fuck he wants at that point its down to the other person to show feats of resistance at that point.
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