Take me what so long? That Nasuverse team going to win? I mean it didn't take me long, I immediately say it. Unless you mean you share this already and I say nothing? I didn't see it if you do, that's what
Yea I agree, as I said there, I believe most of the things here wins. Even if the team separated by class
But I am not entirely sure since idk how much stronger FT become, its still unclear to me. People seems to have completely different take on it.
Oh wait you mean what take me so long about R S? I'd still want to give benefit of the doubt they'd grow past their downplaying self It will go nowhere as I am sure you know, but might as well give them credit if they improve.
R S is saying that Cal is amped because Fergus said "Careless strike can destroy 3 hilltops" = "Caladbolg can only destroy 3 hilltops" and yes it is also because d'Eon saying "Caladbolg absorbing the magical energy as it spin" and he take both as "Caladbolg is getting amped! Because it can only destroy 3 hilltops and get magical energy." instead of it just being Caladbolg's natural ability like many other NP to absorb magical energy.
Yeah, this is failure in reading comprehension and misleading argument from his part.
It's stated to do a thing, and is not contradicted, so it can do the thing it is stated to do.
"Imagine Breaker nullifies powers" is not a NLF.
"Imagine Breaker can nullify any power it encounters" is a NLF.
"Mahoraga adapts to things" - is not a NLF.
"Mahoraga can adapt to anything" - is a NLF.
A "NLF" implies that I'm extrapolating beyond what is shown or stated.
And I'm not.
Its stated to do a thing and failed to do so the time it was used IIRC. I dont know if it was used any other times since I dont read fairy tail but yeah it sounds like its got nothing going for it EXCEPT statements.It's stated to do a thing, and is not contradicted, so it can do the thing it is stated to do.
You cant compare it to IB because IB has multiple, on top of multiple examples of how it works and shit"Imagine Breaker nullifies powers" is not a NLF.
"Imagine Breaker can nullify any power it encounters" is a NLF.
Same thing with Maho though not as many examples there are still examples"Mahoraga adapts to things" - is not a NLF.
"Mahoraga can adapt to anything" - is a NLF.
A NLF is assuming theres no maximum given a minumum.A "NLF" implies that I'm extrapolating beyond what is shown or stated.
And I'm not.
And an explanation was given: Demon Slayer Magic has the ability to nullify curses, such as Memento Mori.Its stated to do a thing and failed to do so the time it was used IIRC. I dont know if it was used any other times since I dont read fairy tail but yeah it sounds like its got nothing going for it EXCEPT statements.
and if statements were all you needed to prove ability then we would be going crazy with all kinds of shit
You cant compare it to IB because IB has multiple, on top of multiple examples of how it works and shit
Same thing with Maho though not as many examples there are still examples
A NLF is assuming theres no maximum given a minumum.
And then he died afterwards right? So other than that we dont know anything else about it besides 2 thingsAnd an explanation was given: Demon Slayer Magic has the ability to nullify curses, such as Memento Mori.
That's the only reason it didn't erase the one person it was used on.
Give you a couple"and if statements were all you needed to prove ability then we would be going crazy with all kinds of shit"
Like what though?
The difference for Iihiko/Solar is that, if I were talking about them I'd say "the former can nullify attacks by not recognizing them, and the latter manipulates energy"And then he died afterwards right? So other than that we dont know anything else about it besides 2 things
Statement: It erases people from existence
Feat: Doesnt work on people who can nullify curses
Thats all we got and its not much at all
Give you a couple
Solar the man of atom: "Everything is Energy therefore I can manipulate everything"
If all I needed was this with no backing then I could have him do whatever the fuck I wanted
Ihiko: "As long as he doesnt recognize it as an attack it wont work"
Guess I dont need to provide proof, Gokus Kamehameha does nothing to him
Kirby has infinite energy/power
The only thing we have for this is statements but fuck you if you think I'm gonna sit here and let people attempt to claim infinite power kirby
The difference for Iihiko/Solar is that, if I were talking about them I'd say "the former can nullify attacks by not recognizing them, and the latter manipulates energy"
And THEN the respective feats/statements besides those would be brought up
Saying the power does X is not the same thing as saying "it can do anything in regards to X"
and there's no other way to visibly demonstrate something as specific "removing the concept of life and death" from someone and erasing them from existence entirely
like
it either erases stuff from existence or it doesn't
it's a simple ass power to comprehend, no extrapolation needed
And they would still have feats to back up those statements and if they don't, we don't bring it up because it's featless... this isn't hard to grasp.
Yes it does because if all we have is a statement, then we have nothing to back up that statement and we are stuck with how far does it go, who does it affect and so on and so forth.
And don't give me "Zeref wouldn't be affected" because Memento Mori wasn't used on him, he just deemed Tartoros a failure at random and killed Mard and the Book they all came from, that's not a feat either.
Okay so by that logic, Mard Geer's Memento Mori can kill Accelerator right? As well as Aleister Crowley and those on the same wavelength? There's no proof it can do it and nothing at all saying it cannot either right? Because it either erases stuff from existence or it doesn't right?
I mean wow, I didn't realize it can kill beings like IIhiko to ORT to the Demi-Fiend with that logic.
Nah see, I said statements only. If there were not feats if we took statements as the only thing, Which is what this Memento Mori shit has for the most part, shit would just boil down to "are you faster?" otherwise GG you lose no debate needed, dont need feats.The difference for Iihiko/Solar is that, if I were talking about them I'd say "the former can nullify attacks by not recognizing them, and the latter manipulates energy"
And THEN the respective feats/statements besides those would be brought up
I mean Zeno has shown how he deletes shit from existence, Beerus too with Hakai so this is just wrong.Saying the power does X is not the same thing as saying "it can do anything in regards to X"
and there's no other way to visibly demonstrate something as specific "removing the concept of life and death" from someone and erasing them from existence entirely
I havent seen a single person get vaporized and then someone go "Yeah i wiped you from existence"because even vaporization from a strong attack can appear to do so to the naked eye
Again it needs the feats still. Just a statement wont work.like
it either erases stuff from existence or it doesn't
it's a simple ass power to comprehend, no extrapolation needed
And this is why Feats and stuff mattersWhy you bring up Iihiko who can be unaffected by powers he doesn't recognize (essentially power nullification)
What was the context for why that worked anyway?And this is why Feats and stuff matters
Because Ihiko can be hit by stuff he doesnt recognize as shown when Medaka hit him with the Kurokami Phantom and forced him to swap bodies.
He didnt see it coming even though he watched her run up to him with the Phantom and called the attack slow. She dipped behind him and hit him in the back and then it workedWhat was the context for why that worked anyway?
I mean yeah that's how a decent amount of abilities are in fictionNah see, I said statements only. If there were not feats if we took statements as the only thing, Which is what this Memento Mori shit has for the most part, shit would just boil down to "are you faster?" otherwise GG you lose no debate needed, dont need feats.
I mean Zeno has shown how he deletes shit from existence, Beerus too with Hakai so this is just wrong.
Though tbf to be wiped from existence TRULY one would also need to be wiped from all of history as well as people memories and all.
I havent seen a single person get vaporized and then someone go "Yeah i wiped you from existence"
Again it needs the feats still. Just a statement wont work.
All Fiction is a better version of this and we can make the claim of "It works or it doesnt" because he has the feats to back up his statement of erasing whatever the fuck he wants at that point its down to the other person to show feats of resistance at that point.
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Zeref verbatim says that Mard Geer wouldn't have been able to kill him with Memento Mori.
And yeah, if it hits Accelerator and Aleister and they do nothing about it, it would erase them from existence, because they have no inherent resistance to such an ability.
Thankfully, the ability does visibly travel so they'd be able to dodge it with ease, among other things.
Why you bring up Iihiko who can be unaffected by powers he doesn't recognize (essentially power nullification), ORT who probably has some form of resistance to existence erasure, and Demi-Fiend who also has a similar sort of resistance given how Almighty attacks in SMT work, I have no clue.
All of these characters have an out against the ability in some way shape or form.
So like I said: either you have an out against the ability when hit by it or you don't.
Mard Geer - "I'm going to kill you"Him saying that doesn't mean shit because we don't know how or why it wouldn't work. Zeref saying it wouldn't is not enough proof.
Man, you really don't understand anything at all...
We are told thats what they do and are then shown evidence of them performing that.I mean yeah that's how a decent amount of abilities are in fiction
you either resist them or you don't and you lose if the opponent uses it and it lands
that's just how it is
the thing is, we only know Zeno and Hakai erase things from existence BECAUSE we're told that they do that
otherwise what makes us believe it's no different than a generic strong energy blast?
Yeah but "I'll erase you from this world" is vastly different from "I'll erase you from existence"it's a pretty common hyperbole to say in fiction tbf, you might not just be remembering well (not like I'm one to talk)
"I'll erase you from this world" (doesn't actually have those sorts of powers, and is just killing them normally)
etc etc