Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I already shared it beforehand.
As El Hermano stated in his post, Fairy Tail hasn't grown stronger since the Time Skip according to us, Farsith is just throwing shit out and pretending they got majorly stronger when they haven't. Even the feat they constantly use for Natsu being Country level is suspect as shit(as while Aldoron is the size of a Country, he was DRAMATICALLY weakened by the time Natsu killed his core and him).
Oh wait you mean what take me so long about R S? I'd still want to give benefit of the doubt they'd grow past their downplaying selfIt will go nowhere as I am sure you know, but might as well give them credit if they improve.
You know damn well that will never work my dude, I have had that experience to realize they never will change, just contradict themselves.
That's exactly what I have stated for years because that's all they can do. It's funny because the games itself explicitly state that just like it's legend, Caladbolg is able to destroy 3 Hilltops on a MISSED SWING and no one knows how strong a non-miss truly is which is what Caladbolg is built on both ways.
Makes perfect sense otherwise R S would blatantly lie so badly.
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So you literally don't understand at all anything you stated and still crash and burn didn't you?
Here's the thing: We got exactly how Imagine Breaker and Mahoraga works not just by statements but by actual feats.
We work explicitly on Feats > Statements with Statements only mattering when the Feat fits the statement itself. Memento Mori has no feats at all and thus it does nothing, there is nothing there and statements are just that, nothing without the feat.
Its stated to do a thing and failed to do so the time it was used IIRC. I dont know if it was used any other times since I dont read fairy tail but yeah it sounds like its got nothing going for it EXCEPT statements.
and if statements were all you needed to prove ability then we would be going crazy with all kinds of shit
You cant compare it to IB because IB has multiple, on top of multiple examples of how it works and shit
Same thing with Maho though not as many examples there are still examples
A NLF is assuming theres no maximum given a minumum.
And an explanation was given: Demon Slayer Magic has the ability to nullify curses, such as Memento Mori.
That's the only reason it didn't erase the one person it was used on.
"and if statements were all you needed to prove ability then we would be going crazy with all kinds of shit"
Like what though?
And then he died afterwards right? So other than that we dont know anything else about it besides 2 things
Statement: It erases people from existence
Feat: Doesnt work on people who can nullify curses
Thats all we got and its not much at all
Give you a couple
Solar the man of atom: "Everything is Energy therefore I can manipulate everything"
If all I needed was this with no backing then I could have him do whatever the fuck I wanted
Ihiko: "As long as he doesnt recognize it as an attack it wont work"
Guess I dont need to provide proof, Gokus Kamehameha does nothing to him
Kirby has infinite energy/power
The only thing we have for this is statements but fuck you if you think I'm gonna sit here and let people attempt to claim infinite power kirby
Yall niggas be underestimating just how bullshit things can get if you ONLY needed statements
The difference for Iihiko/Solar is that, if I were talking about them I'd say "the former can nullify attacks by not recognizing them, and the latter manipulates energy"And then he died afterwards right? So other than that we dont know anything else about it besides 2 things
Statement: It erases people from existence
Feat: Doesnt work on people who can nullify curses
Thats all we got and its not much at all
Give you a couple
Solar the man of atom: "Everything is Energy therefore I can manipulate everything"
If all I needed was this with no backing then I could have him do whatever the fuck I wanted
Ihiko: "As long as he doesnt recognize it as an attack it wont work"
Guess I dont need to provide proof, Gokus Kamehameha does nothing to him
Kirby has infinite energy/power
The only thing we have for this is statements but fuck you if you think I'm gonna sit here and let people attempt to claim infinite power kirby
And THEN the respective feats/statements besides those would be brought up
Saying the power does X is not the same thing as saying "it can do anything in regards to X"
and there's no other way to visibly demonstrate something as specific "removing the concept of life and death" from someone and erasing them from existence entirely
because even vaporization from a strong attack can appear to do so to the naked eye
And they would still have feats to back up those statements and if they don't, we don't bring it up because it's featless... this isn't hard to grasp.
Yes it does because if all we have is a statement, then we have nothing to back up that statement and we are stuck with how far does it go, who does it affect and so on and so forth.
And don't give me "Zeref wouldn't be affected" because Memento Mori wasn't used on him, he just deemed Tartoros a failure at random and killed Mard and the Book they all came from, that's not a feat either.
Okay so by that logic, Mard Geer's Memento Mori can kill Accelerator right? As well as Aleister Crowley and those on the same wavelength? There's no proof it can do it and nothing at all saying it cannot either right? Because it either erases stuff from existence or it doesn't right?
I mean wow, I didn't realize it can kill beings like IIhiko to ORT to the Demi-Fiend with that logic.
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Zeref verbatim says that Mard Geer wouldn't have been able to kill him with Memento Mori.
And yeah, if it hits Accelerator and Aleister and they do nothing about it, it would erase them from existence, because they have no inherent resistance to such an ability.
Thankfully, the ability does visibly travel so they'd be able to dodge it with ease, among other things.
Why you bring up Iihiko who can be unaffected by powers he doesn't recognize (essentially power nullification), ORT who probably has some form of resistance to existence erasure, and Demi-Fiend who also has a similar sort of resistance given how Almighty attacks in SMT work, I have no clue.
All of these characters have an out against the ability in some way shape or form.
So like I said: either you have an out against the ability when hit by it or you don't.
Nah see, I said statements only. If there were not feats if we took statements as the only thing, Which is what this Memento Mori shit has for the most part, shit would just boil down to "are you faster?" otherwise GG you lose no debate needed, dont need feats.
I mean Zeno has shown how he deletes shit from existence, Beerus too with Hakai so this is just wrong.
Though tbf to be wiped from existence TRULY one would also need to be wiped from all of history as well as people memories and all.
I havent seen a single person get vaporized and then someone go "Yeah i wiped you from existence"because even vaporization from a strong attack can appear to do so to the naked eye
Again it needs the feats still. Just a statement wont work.
All Fiction is a better version of this and we can make the claim of "It works or it doesnt" because he has the feats to back up his statement of erasing whatever the fuck he wants at that point its down to the other person to show feats of resistance at that point.
And this is why Feats and stuff matters
Because Ihiko can be hit by stuff he doesnt recognize as shown when Medaka hit him with the Kurokami Phantom and forced him to swap bodies.
What was the context for why that worked anyway?And this is why Feats and stuff matters
Because Ihiko can be hit by stuff he doesnt recognize as shown when Medaka hit him with the Kurokami Phantom and forced him to swap bodies.
He didnt see it coming even though he watched her run up to him with the Phantom and called the attack slow. She dipped behind him and hit him in the back and then it worked
which doesnt make fucking sense since all fiction can't be seen but he was able to ignore that shit
I mean yeah that's how a decent amount of abilities are in fiction
you either resist them or you don't and you lose if the opponent uses it and it lands
that's just how it is
the thing is, we only know Zeno and Hakai erase things from existence BECAUSE we're told that they do that
otherwise what makes us believe it's no different than a generic strong energy blast?
it's a pretty common hyperbole to say in fiction tbf, you might not just be remembering well (not like I'm one to talk)
"I'll erase you from this world" (doesn't actually have those sorts of powers, and is just killing them normally)
etc etc
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Zeref verbatim says that Mard Geer wouldn't have been able to kill him with Memento Mori.
Him saying that doesn't mean shit because we don't know how or why it wouldn't work. Zeref saying it wouldn't is not enough proof.
Man, you really don't understand anything at all...
Mard Geer - "I'm going to kill you"
Zeref - "I'm afraid that's not possible for you"
gee I wonder what that could mean
maybe that Mard Geer can't kill him with anything he does?
we're going from "Memento Mori doesn't erase things" to "even if it does, why would Zeref be unkillable to it"
We are told thats what they do and are then shown evidence of them performing that.
Statement and then Feat to back it up. Thats the part you dont seem to be getting Pax
A Statement and a Feat are meant to work together to support each other. A Feat most of the time can stand on its own, however a statement by itself is a lot more suspect and is harder to argue for.
Yeah but "I'll erase you from this world" is vastly different from "I'll erase you from existence"
A good example is Chakravartin claiming he was going to erase Asura from existence and then didnt. We wouldnt then claim that Chakravartin has existence erasure powers.