To this day I still don't understand what they did differently that makes them stronger than her lol
Who is the strongest character that Nakhash (Star Wars) can beat in To Aru?
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Clinging to humanity even more than them
I'm gonna offer my 2 cents here and be genuine when it comes to my take on this:
The reason it's not taken besides the "millions of quotes backing it up" isn't just because of apathy, laziness and not liking the show... but the fact that To Aru is only now being recently covered and the problem is that it's in an LN format with only a Manga as a further push towards it.
It's not like there is just hatred towards the To Aru series, we have had plenty of times where people just pushed whole ass series and characters up because of basically them piecemealing us stuff without any context(Diebuster? Genis? CCC?). I fully remember folks had conniptions when it came to Fate because of CCC's existence for the longest time(How many times I hear IWD tell me that personally and why it gave Fate a black eye for years).
Like the issue as a whole isn't that no one wants to check it but you have 2 people who constantly goes apeshit about it despite it not even in the proving stages yet and we should just accept it for "how it is" rather than making sure "it's genuinely proven beyond a shadow of a doubt".
Last thing I doubt people want to see is just using the way a statement is framed to basically push series into absolutely ludicrous degrees because "it's how it is" rather than "proven beyond a shadow of a doubt".
I’m not saying this is incorrect but you know as well as I that Rev in specific poisoned the well a bit wrt ToAru relations on here. It made people extremely skeptical to an insane degree that they aren’t with other series. Goldenboy posted a thread like two years ago compiling quotes backing up the multiversal stuff and just got told “wait till the respect thread is done then we’ll talk” ??? why? No other series here is handled that way.
Why To-Aru High Tiers should be Multiversal.
Fuck it. I was going to do this after I finished New Testament 9 but I'm super slow so I'm just going to do this now. Why? Well, it's because @NostalgiaFan put an optimistic on my post. As if he was saying I can't prove that Toaru is multiversal. Well, I take offense to this. So, I’m gonna...
onelastforum.com Yes, everything needs to be presented with proper context and due diligence, but we cant act like it’s not being treated differently. Castlevania got accepted at multiversal for far less (and I don’t even disagree with that!)
I mean Fate was? I'm not sure if you actually look back on the FV Nasuverse Page but last time I checked, people did not accept that shit lock, stock and barrel:
The Type-Moon/Nasuverse Discussion Thread
God Tier ORT Type Jupiter Type Saturn Type Moon (Crimson Moon)/Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg/Archetype Earth/Amaterasu/Ado Edem (situational) Six Sisters/Type Pluto//Type Venus/other Types (?) Kiara/BB/Origin Servants/Saver Buddha Enkidu Top Tier Meltlilith Archer Gilgamesh 30% Arc (world back up...
www.fanverse.org And you can ask some of the OGs here how they felt about how far Extra/CCC poisoned the well until FGO came in and clarified a bunch of shit in real time combined with the cavalcade of Anime/Manga/Games and other adaptations helping clarifying that shit.
Let's also not pretend that Rev is the ONLY ONE currently poisoning the To Aru well or is it the only series to be "handled that way"(Overlord? Fairy Tail? JJK and the constant back and forth on Infinity?).
Because Atem showed us not just quotes directly from the game itself but full on pictures from the game itself confirming those very things. It's the same deal with Shadow Hearts, something I can equally back up due to me playing all 3 games.
You can ask everyone else what their problems are with To Aru but I'll be real when I say this:
The Manga helps clarify some things but it doesn't help clarify everything and it's not helped by Kamachi deciding to one up Nasu in terms of being an archaic fuck for certain words and wanting to make everything far more complicated than it is. Which ends up with things just sounding ridiculous, not at all what the feat is seemingly meant to be or just overall feels like Kamachi is going into his own ass.
The irony is that I have talked to Blade about To Aru plenty of times and his take towards it is actually more fair than what we currently have for it and for what I would say for it to be frank.
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Yep, kinda crappy blind spot to have when a series's placement is in question and pretty much the only people who are knowledgeable about it have 0 credibility .
You either look over the material they bring to the table and take their word for it that the context behind that shit is not all kinds of obfuscated for wanking reasons .... or...
Somebody takes the hit and actually goes to work , which obviously , no one wants to do or...
You could just look to other places that already had these discussions and you compare notes between what you have and what they have ...something which has obvious caveats.
Not much you can do otherwise.
It's similar to the problem we've had with calcs being done by peeps with no credibility which no one bothered to check either because nobody cared or because of illiteracy and while i argued against letting calcs pass just cause they were done, it's a bigger problem when it concerns the series in its entirety and i agree that you can't keep the series in limbo .
You either look over the material they bring to the table and take their word for it that the context behind that shit is not all kinds of obfuscated for wanking reasons .... or...
Somebody takes the hit and actually goes to work , which obviously , no one wants to do or...
You could just look to other places that already had these discussions and you compare notes between what you have and what they have ...something which has obvious caveats.
Not much you can do otherwise.
It's similar to the problem we've had with calcs being done by peeps with no credibility which no one bothered to check either because nobody cared or because of illiteracy and while i argued against letting calcs pass just cause they were done, it's a bigger problem when it concerns the series in its entirety and i agree that you can't keep the series in limbo .
Now explain what I’ve ever said about the series that has no credibility behind it
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No idea.
I was speaking in a general sense , not relegating it to a specific case/series.
You could be a NoAru scholar, but i wouldn't exactly be inclined to buy whatever you're selling just based on your word . But that's just me .
Fortunately for you in this case, like me and Galaxy said, it's just a blind spot we're having and since we don't want to bother and since there seem to be no better alternatives , we won't have a choice but take your word for it.
I was speaking in a general sense , not relegating it to a specific case/series.
You could be a NoAru scholar, but i wouldn't exactly be inclined to buy whatever you're selling just based on your word . But that's just me .
Fortunately for you in this case, like me and Galaxy said, it's just a blind spot we're having and since we don't want to bother and since there seem to be no better alternatives , we won't have a choice but take your word for it.
You can't just post quotes, context matters as well.
Exactly. I'll be frank, the number of quotes I see Astaro and Paxton peddle is beyond out of context and reaches into the realm of "What the fuck are they talking about?"
There's a damn good reason I practically post entire scenes when I bring in stuff from Fate or Bleach or whatever because Context is key... not whatever this is:
The fact I needed Cryso to even tell me what the context of this whole thing is(That Imagine Breaker isn't inherent in Touma and was explicitly passed down as various items) never occurred to me nor to anyone else who saw this in the Circus Thread not a single bit.
Honestly I don't even know why Pax posted that.
Like I guess he's trying to say that Touma's doesn't just negate supernatural stuff... but Touma's IB only negates supernatural stuff. Izayoi from what I heard doesn't use magical energy or shit, its nanomachines, you have to go for non-canon shit for touma to negate that kinda stuff.