Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

ChaosTheory123

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And honestly speaking of that... I might as well go over GaRbS' point too because it wouldn't be fair otherwise:




1. That's actually false because ONLY Edison calls out Nikola Tesla's point as a "boast" and even it's treated as more "I'll get to that later" because Edison and Tesla don't really like each other at all.

2. Edison explicitly notes that Nikola Tesla is stronger than him when it comes to his Lightning and was the huge difference in restricting the 28 Demon God Pillars before Arjuna popped up. Even doing THAT would give Tesla Continental+ scaling on it's own considering how strong a single Demon God Pillar is.

3. Nikola Tesla in a "berserk" state fought both Kintoki and Mordred just fine and both of them would be Continental+ well and near into the Planetary range, something ChaosTheory also agrees with due to being able to scale to Servants that can destroy the Mud of the Holy Grail meaning he would be Planetary+:




And this is that typical "ignoring the very obvious point to instead pretend it was something different" shit SB is known for :maury

No, my dude, Scathath is very, very clear in that Cu Alter's Noble Phantasm can "Destroy The World" as in, it would literally destroy the Texture they are on:



There is no "It would take one punch or a hundred" nonsense, Scathath is VERY clearly following the fact that Cu Alter punched her once in the gut and she states he has enough power to destroy the Texture they are on. This is why SB is such a fucking joke at it's core and it may actually be why I may make a WorstGen account: just so I can tell GaRbS how he can't understand simple Reading Comprehension:jordangif



I don't even understand this line of questioning, no shit EMIYA doesn't scale to Enkidu or Thia in the typical sense... but he doesn't need to to be well beyond Yuta's level:diolaugh

EMIYA would be Continental, Continental+ while Enkidu would basically be Star level and so would Thia. None of this changes a single thing for how screwed Yuta is. Of course this is GaRbS here so we are with the impersonation that Enkidu and Theia are somehow Continental or barely there because reasons.



Now that's retarded, he absolutely scales to Fabro Rowan:tiredofthis

Again, it's typical SB shit that has him completely misunderstand that his Soil of Genesis is a shitty knockoff to Tiamat's Primordial Sea in every way, including durability that only reaches that level... in Kagetsu Tohya with him long dead.

Laughs in 4-Petaled Rho Aias blocking a sizable fraction of Excalibur and Hrunting being able to break that same number of petals of Rho Aias.

Or Alternatively

Laughs in Caladbolg II being able to take a life or 2 from Herakles compared to Excalibur and Caliburn being able to take 7-12.

He connects to some fraction of Excalibur multiple ways, something Nrvnqsr Chaos can't manage. Shit happens.
 

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don't really get why he's being this way about Elric when he admits he's going off the SB respect thread only

which is missing a lot of information. It's not SB's fault and they didn't do anything wrong, Moorcock's just written way too many books and Atem happened to be a nut who read a huge amount of them for the threads we have here and on FV.
It's strange that he thinks elric is weak
 

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Laughs in 4-Petaled Rho Aias blocking a sizable fraction of Excalibur and Hrunting being able to break that same number of petals of Rho Aias.

Or Alternatively

Laughs in Caladbolg II being able to take a life or 2 from Herakles compared to Excalibur and Caliburn being able to take 7-12.

He connects to some fraction of Excalibur multiple ways, something Nrvnqsr Chaos can't manage. Shit happens.
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@Astaro :hm

Whatever floats your boat dude, but not really sure how you can look at JJK and see anything worth while featwise for comparison even just restraining it to literally just the original VN :maybe

I already measured everything worth a damn in JJK, saw nothing of value break outside of kilotons. Move it to anime vs anime, MAPPA has nothing on Ufotable's offerings.
 

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It's strange that he thinks elric is weak
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from Michael Moorcock's Multiverse comic, which was written by Moorcock himself and takes place after the original books
iirc this is after he merges/absorbs every other Eternal Champion.
 

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@ChaosTheory123 I get it, thread was poorly conceived. Literally made it for thematics in mind more than anything else while thinking Archer was restricted enough

I actually never noticed how fast that Caladbolg shot that yeeted Caster in the anime was. She barely reacted to it but did nonetheless by raising a shield after it fired so at the very least her reflexes scale to it
 
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@Astaro :hm

Whatever floats your boat dude, but not really sure how you can look at JJK and see anything worth while featwise for comparison even just restraining it to literally just the original VN :maybe

I already measured everything worth a damn in JJK, saw nothing of value break outside of kilotons. Move it to anime vs anime, MAPPA has nothing on Ufotable's offerings.

Yeah, it's well known here JJK is absolute dogwater with feats and it's charitable to even state characters are City level and that's limited to Gojo and Sukuna.
Like no joke, I don't think they beat anyone in the Nasuverse, not even Shinji due to him tussling with one of Illya's Homonculus Maids who tied with Medusa in strength :risigif

I can't even say they defeat Waver Velvet either being 100% certain:heston
 

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@ChaosTheory123 I get it, thread was poorly conceived even with VN threats. Literally made it for thematics more than anything while thinking Archer was restricted enough
You pretty much need to restrict it to no opening animations to remove time frames for Excalibur in the Fate route so that you can only measure the power of Excalibur based on how much matter "mud"/water it vaporized in UBW or Shirou's near-death version vaporizing the large Angra Mainyu construct to make it "fair" in terms of yield. Even then, you still have Hrunting in HA to get around. The latter feat being more impressive than the former for Excalibur as the Angra Mainyu construct had more volume of "mud" to work with IIRC.
I actually never noticed how fast that Caladbolg shot that yeeted Caster in the anime was. She barely reacted to it but did nonetheless by raising a shield after it fired so at the very least her reflexes scale to it
Doesn't help Bellerophon in HF3 is actually kind of batshit (the KE and AOE will probably be high triple digit megaton or more if I could bother because of how small the measuring stick ends up being compared to the AOE), Rin's Jewel Sword emission speed is similarly likely triple digits if I could bother with the slow motion shit and we already know who can react to Excalibur type shit. Even the size of the Lake behind the temple, and the mass of Grail Mud Artoria vaporizes ignoring the clouds the shock wave parts is larger than what Shirou poorly eye balled in the VN.

Trying to figure out the Gae Bolg AOE too, it clearly stripped some shit off the surrounding hills in the anime, but its a headache to look over.
 

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I wonder why Sukuna wankers need to try and bring down better series to prove some kind of point.(There point is ass anyway)
 

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Like both Kagatsuchi and Jacklinthebox keep trying to compare Sukuna to the Royal Guards simply because "oh the royal guards were overpowered" ignoring that them being overpowered didn't mean they were unbeatable or couldn't be challenged.

Youpi got stalled by Shoot and got humbled by Killua's speed. Pouf got stalled by Morel and his smoke barrier, Pitou was at the mercy of Gon's malice for all his power due to Komugi. Meruem got humbled by Netero and was killed by the rose bomb.

They all faced actual challenges that forced them to give it there all, unlike Sukuna, who no matter how much damage he takes is seemingly always stronger than the mc's and always has the seemingly omnipotent trump card he keeps holding back.

They're all also better characters than Sukuna too honestly.
 

I wonder why Sukuna wankers need to try and bring down better series to prove some kind of point.

It's funny because the Yhwach comparison doesn't even work at it's core(Yet I see so many people use it without even knowing how it works) :maury

Tite Kubo never dicksucked Yhwach, he never overblew his power and Yhwach didn't treat everyone he fights like nobodies. He had to basically rile the fuck out of Yamamoto(Which includes killing his Leiutenant and getting Driscoll to use Sasakibe's Bankai to send him over the edge), waste his energy and then steal his Bankai when he was tired and weak and in a horrible position.

Him defeating Ichigo the first time has the hilariously huge asterisk that even though Ichigo was weaker than him, Ichigo was FUCKED TO SHIT getting slammed by his own Bankai Getsugas for potentially HOURS and even Yhwach states that it's ridiculous Ichigo is fighting him in such a terrible state(His Bankai sword is chipped to shit which was never the case in how bad he was weakened).

His fight with Ichibei was literally him getting the shit slapped out of him before "LOLAlmighty" came into play and the "2nd fight" with Ichigo was Ichigo not even going all out and Yhwach throwing him off the Palace(and the way things was going, the Schutzstaffel and Uryu would have jumped him, his friends and Yourichi all at once... some fight right?)

Even the final fight had Soul King Yhwach get injured by Shikai and Hollow Combo Ichigo and Ichigo only getting support from Orihime so he doesn't need to worry about defending himself and going in... and the INSTANT he goes Bankai, Yhwach goes "lolAlmighty" because as we literally seen later on, Soul King Yhwach would have been made Ichigo's bitch in record time:jordangif

The funniest part is that even if the anime tries to change it and have Uryu help Ichigo... we just get what Haschwalth stated would happen and Uryu helps dumpster the fuck out of Yhwach because his Anti-Thesis > The Almighty in every way:risigif

The only person who wanks Yhwach anywhere near like Gege wanks Sukuna... is the fucking fans themselves who pretend The Almighty has no limits despite that shit having limits from the word go:tupac
 

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Like both Kagatsuchi and Jacklinthebox keep trying to compare Sukuna to the Royal Guards simply because "oh the royal guards were overpowered" ignoring that them being overpowered didn't mean they were unbeatable or couldn't be challenged.

Youpi got stalled by Shoot and got humbled by Killua's speed. Pouf got stalled by Morel and his smoke barrier, Pitou was at the mercy of Gon's malice for all his power due to Komugi. Meruem got humbled by Netero and was killed by the rose bomb.

They all faced actual challenges that forced them to give it there all, unlike Sukuna, who no matter how much damage he takes is seemingly always stronger than the mc's and always has the seemingly omnipotent trump card he keeps holding back.

They're all also better characters than Sukuna too honestly.

Speaking as someone who likes JJK and doesn't like HxH, the Royal Guards (and the King for that matter) were significantly better written in terms of being "overpowered antagonists".

Netero vs the King specifically was basically how Gojo vs Sukuna should have gone. Have a clear winner but let the loser go out on his own terms while taking action that assures the fall of his rival.
 
Trying to figure out the Gae Bolg AOE too, it clearly stripped some shit off the surrounding hills in the anime, but its a headache to look over.

I know exactly what you are talking about as yeah, it actually did a HELL of alot more damage than people say it does(Not only uprooted trees entirely but even the roots and parts of the ground with it) and you clearly see something more than that too but it cuts away too fast.

So yeah, you can even go to that explosion and see how wild that is and that was well after Gae Bolg interacted with Rho Aias for a long time.
 

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You pretty much need to restrict it to no opening animations to remove time frames for Excalibur in the Fate route so that you can only measure the power of Excalibur based on how much matter "mud"/water it vaporized in UBW or Shirou's near-death version vaporizing the large Angra Mainyu construct to make it "fair" in terms of yield. Even then, you still have Hrunting in HA to get around. The latter feat being more impressive than the former for Excalibur as the Angra Mainyu construct had more volume of "mud" to work with IIRC.

Doesn't help Bellerophon in HF3 is actually kind of batshit (the KE and AOE will probably be high triple digit megaton or more if I could bother because of how small the measuring stick ends up being compared to the AOE), Rin's Jewel Sword emission speed is similarly likely triple digits if I could bother with the slow motion shit and we already know who can react to Excalibur type shit. Even the size of the Lake behind the temple, and the mass of Grail Mud Artoria vaporizes ignoring the clouds the shock wave parts is larger than what Shirou poorly eye balled in the VN.

Trying to figure out the Gae Bolg AOE too, it clearly stripped some shit off the surrounding hills in the anime, but its a headache to look over.
Right, forgot Shirou Saber’s HA Excalibur speed feat too for purely VN related feats, which clocks 10-15 times Hrunting, and deflecting and reacting to Excalibur is a good ol’Herakles special

You know, that guy EMIYA murdered 6 times with 6 unique attacks with sword play that a sane Herakles mourned he didn’t get the pleasure of fighting longer.

Suppose you can also work something out from her vaporizing the millions (given how thickly they were covering the surface area of the city) of Angra Mainyu corpses too for something casually beyond JJK, ignoring literally any connective tissue to the rest of the franchise.
 
Right, forgot Shirou Saber’s HA Excalibur speed feat too for purely VN related feats, which clocks 10-15 times Hrunting, and deflecting and reacting to Excalibur is a good ol’Herakles special

You know, that guy EMIYA murdered 6 times with 6 unique attacks with sword play that a sane Herakles mourned he didn’t get the pleasure of fighting longer.

Suppose you can also work something out from her vaporizing the millions (given how thickly they were covering the surface area of the city) of Angra Mainyu corpses too for something casually beyond JJK, ignoring literally any connective tissue to the rest of the franchise.

Speaking of that, I have that entire scene on Youtube of the characters dealing with the Angra Mainyu shades(both Heroes and Mages alike) which makes the whole thing with JJK even more ridiculous given how many there was and no one died against them.



It honestly obliterates the retarded stamina arguments you hear in SB considering Servants and Masters was fighting against hundreds, if not thousands of Angra Mainyu clones and they never just die on the spot or anything.
 

Shin is like a slower, bigger, worse version of Mahoraga. Has Shin survived anything on the level of Malevolent Shrine or the fire arrow? It's adaptation (if you can even call it that) is way worse than Mahoraga, who can dead stop basically any attack after its first exposure. Pretty sure the military just kept dumping bombs on Shin and finally just froze him. Both rounds I think go to Sukuna, especially round 2 with the threat of Mahoraga adapting to...whatever the hell Shin got going on.

Sukuna is fast enough to dodge a direct hit, but such destruction could still be dangerous, specially because Shin is radioactive. However, the speed advantage is good enough that if he manages to reach the kaiju, he has a chance to take it down with the domain (although is notable that the domain's range is smaller than Godzilla itself) and wear it down until it dies or uses too much energy.

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They do realize the only reason Shin Godzilla effectively lost was because they made him spam the fuck out of his lasers and radiation till he hit a CD period right?
They also forget that Shin Godzilla took an assload of Tank Shells and otherwise with no damage and instantly wiped them out right? They don't even understand that Shin wasn't hit by a typical Bunker Buster in the slightest when he went insane, that shit was ludicrous by any other standard alone.

Like this is just getting stupid.
 
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