Aleister Crowley vs Dr. Doom

[Masterblack06]

Not even that much. He just needs them to picture in their head the Big Bang by his gestures.

And how does he do it? again you've defaulted to "he just does it"

 

[Astaro]

Uh, no?
You cannot walk away from the fact that the page itself and you stated that To Aru's Causality is so fucking flimsy, the entire "Multiverse" can be written because someone decided "I'm gonna conjure fire" and Causality just takes a fucking hike.



Nothing past the fact that I'm not pretending Marvel doesn't have any flaws with it's cosmology just like DC doesn't... not sure why you believe that somehow stops To Aru from having a massively borked universe and trying to past it off as a feat when it's shit like Overlord's "Physics don't exist because MAGIC"

I really don’t get what’s so hard about the idea that Magic messes with causality itself.

Or how that equates to Overlord’s shit with laws of physics not applying

 

[Astaro]

And how does he do it? again you've defaulted to "he just does it"

In the case of the Big Bang, he imitates military binoculars

 

[Paxton]

He does voodoo causality shit to create a real tangible effect. Turning "illusion" into reality, essentially.

That's it. Astaro posted the quote once or twice before, but not in this thread.

 

[Astaro]

Guess we need to shit on JoJo too with all the street to building level wimps being able to mess with universal concepts like Fate (GER, King Crimson) Time (The World, Made in Heaven), Fortune/Luck (Love Train) etc

All this shit just done by people’s fighting spirit / psychic projections

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I really don’t get what’s so hard about the idea that Magic messes with causality itself.

Again, you are missing the forest for the trees:

She made it sound like this would not have happened if she had not made them, but you must not forget. Magic is a technique of distorting the world's causality for your own purposes. It does not only produce the obvious phenomena right in front of you. It is a dangerous technique that will follow an unexpected path to later cause an unexpected change without the magic user even knowing about it. Aleister Crowley had loathed that and called it sparks and spray.

If even the most basic of Magic can cause this level of change to the point Crowley himself established the Science side because he finds it THAT unreliable...
That's not showing how strong a series is, that's basically showing how FLIMSY it is.

Or how that equates to Overlord’s shit with laws of physics not applying

Casuality, tied to an entire "Multiverse", can give up at a basic use of a Magic Spell and potentially massively influence it wholesale.
Physics literally doesn't apply to an entire Planet.

You really can't see the equation here?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Guess we need to shit on JoJo too with all the street to building level wimps being able to mess with universal concepts like Fate (GER, King Crimson) Time (The World, Made in Heaven), Fortune/Luck (Love Train) etc

All this shit just done by people’s fighting spirit / psychic projections

Key difference is that they don't BREAK the Multiverse using those abilities...

 

[Astaro]

Again, you are missing the forest for the trees:



If even the most basic of Magic can cause this level of change to the point Crowley himself established the Science side because he finds it THAT unreliable...
That's not showing how strong a series is, that's basically showing how FLIMSY it is.



Casuality, tied to an entire "Multiverse", can give up at a basic use of a Magic Spell and potentially massively influence it wholesale.
Physics literally doesn't apply to an entire Planet.

He founded the Science side among all his other actions because he despises Magic and people that use it regardless of how it affects others because it gave his daughter an unavoidable fated death at birth. Not that it was unreliable

You really can't see the equation here?

I don’t

 

[Astaro]

Key difference is that they don't BREAK the Multiverse using those abilities...

Neither does magic, just changes how causal laws work at varying scales.

Worst thing it does is produce sparks and sprays from the increased collision of phases the more magic is performed and these slight bumps and scrapes between worlds starts messing with the fates of anything unpredictably

"This world contains as many phases as there are divine legends and religions. And the distance between each phase is not even. The rise and fall of civilizations and traditions affect the power balance in the real world. When you get down to it, fortune is the sparks that failed to become miracles. The spray produced by the contact and collision between phases has a shockingly thin but widespread influence on people. It affects coin tosses, the order at which dishes are served at a restaurant, meetings and partings, marriages and divorces…and even people's deaths. If you see no direct cause for your daughter's death, you should assume it is a spontaneous event caused by a gathering of the influence that so many people are unwittingly affected by."

 

[Paxton]

Kiritsugu with one year of prep and full knowledge enters To Aru, can he destabilize the cosmology and break it in two by using only basic magic

awesome thread idea ngl.

 

[Masterblack06]

In the case of the Big Bang, he imitates military binoculars

And how does that suddenly influence dooms thoughts, why wouldnt doom just see "a guy mimicing binoculars"

Like again, why would what hes doing work on Doom, you have yet to give the feats for it being able to work on someone with his level of resistances

and you cant claim the spell wont run against his mental resistances because the mechanism for the effect to read his mind, know he thought of big bang and then warp reality in order to deal damage to him needs to bypass his mental defenses in order to begin to know if he thought of it or not.

You can't claim it isnt affecting his mind when it needs his mind to do a specific thing in order to work.

 

[Masterblack06]

You guys just keep going in circles and not answering questions. Your essentially stonewalling at this point

And I know that your just gonna rebuttal with "no you just dont get it, your going in circles and your stonewalling" but you guys have yet to actually explain WHY this is gonna work, you just keep exlcaiming that it will and we just gotta accept that despite the logic making no sense.

This is almost at the level of Path to Victory nonsense

 

[Astaro]

And how does that suddenly influence dooms thoughts, why wouldnt doom just see "a guy mimicing binoculars"

Like again, why would what hes doing work on Doom, you have yet to give the feats for it being able to work on someone with his level of resistances

and you cant claim the spell wont run against his mental resistances because the mechanism for the effect to read his mind, know he thought of big bang and then warp reality in order to deal damage to him needs to bypass his mental defenses in order to begin to know if he thought of it or not.

You can't claim it isnt affecting his mind when it needs his mind to do a specific thing in order to work.

Aleister's Spiritual Tripping was a spell that hit the target with the destructive power they imagined when they saw the gesture.

But normally, there should have been no way to tell if she was holding a katana, a saber, a wooden sword, or a metal pipe. The ability to accurately instill people with an image of texture, sheen, weight, and hardness may have been proof of her top rate skill.

^ That’s the level of accuracy they can pull off with a single gesture.

 

[Paxton]

^ That’s the level of accuracy they can pull off with a single gesture.

post the "turning illusion into reality" part btw

 

[Masterblack06]

^ That’s the level of accuracy they can pull off with a single gesture.

This tells me next to nothing about how its gonna work on Doom.

"Shes really good at tricking people therefore it will work on Doom" is not an argument

 

[Astaro]

This tells me next to nothing about how its gonna work on Doom.

"Shes really good at tricking people therefore it will work on Doom" is not an argument

If he can make an animal visualize the Big Bang, a scientist no doubt familiar with the subject will be even easier to pull.

Your being deliberately obtuse about this

 

[Blade]

itt: slim shady is also at least universal+ cuz his gang signs are > goku's and vegeta's combined attacks, thats why he in front of them, got it, gg, thanks kamachi

 

[Blade]

next thread idea

aleister takes a hood rappers gauntlet, 90s/00s era, lets see if he can get a cosmic n word pass

 

[NeloAngelo]

150+ comments... Holy shit xd

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

He founded the Science side among all his other actions because he despises Magic and people that use it regardless of how it affects others because it gave his daughter an unavoidable fated death at birth. Not that it was unreliable

Again:

Aleister Crowley had loathed that and called it sparks and spray.

You posting the main reason doesn't stop it from definitely being a reason why he basically just went "Nah, I'm out" and went with Science.

I don’t

Well you need to look harder as I ain't drawing you a map.

Neither does magic, just changes how causal laws work at varying scales.

Worst thing it does is produce sparks and sprays from the increased collision of phases the more magic is performed and these slight bumps and scrapes between worlds starts messing with the fates of anything unpredictably

Magic can literally cause "Universes" to collide and fucks with entirely different laws in the process
Magic doesn't really cause this
Pulled something that shows Magic absolutely can cause this

EDIT: Also, I don't see how that proves that Phases are Universal considering a number of Religions Afterlifes and Divine Legends are very small places or atleast the size of a Planet, bare minimum.