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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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It was a no wasn't it?

Actually by Nasu, Ryougi and Tohno CAN kill Servants with their MEoDP... the problem is that they are WAY too slow to ever really fight them... which is hilarious as Ryougi can avoid a pointblank C4 explosion and Nasu still sees her as "too slow" which is still very, very much in line with Human Mages who are far, far too slow against Servants.



Dear lord, someone needs to tell this dude and the people that went with him that Kimimaro survived a Desert Burial with virtually no damage and didn't even really feel Rock Lee hitting him or the sheer pressure done by Gaara which we've seen can straight up pulp people for free.

Kimimaro would slice up everyone in this list with very little issue without needing C2.
 

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It was a no wasn't it?

At this point the answer is "it's complicated".

Originally both Shiki's were hilariously outclassed in a statistical sense because of Fate powercreep, meaning irregardless of the answer to "can they", they'd get vaporized by the Servant walking briskly past them.

Extra Shiki was an exception who had the same kind of body as a Servant and therefore removed the physical disparity, and her eyes are confirmed to work on literally everything so she could do it (obviously, she was the damn bonus boss )

Tohno Shiki's eye's are supposed to melt out of his head or something if he tries them on a Servant since they aren't from Gaia (insert three paragraph Nasuverse technobabble explanation here). That said I think there is an argument to be made for him now possessing something like comparable physical capabilities due to the remakes various upgrades.

Also there is a literal Servant Shiki Ryougi in FGO now and she definitively can defeat other Servants.

So again....."its complicated"
 

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That said I think there is an argument to be made for him now possessing something like comparable physical capabilities due to the remakes various upgrades.
He shouldn't need the remake for that

He's a peer to Nanaya and Nanaya in Melty Blood is definitely able to slit Kirishima Kouma's throat. Kouma's someone able to fight and defeat Servants with "average" NP.

Has a few durability and strength feats in both the Melty Blood manga and game too IIRC, been a minute though. Definitely know he ate attacks from Ciel's 7th Scripture in Tsukihime partially transformed too.
 

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Paxton

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Fucking what?
And I actually think that 40k gets up to some decent levels for the high tiers (comfortably planet-solar system level), but saying that "any given Astartes" is equal to Reed Richards in intellect or as strong as the Thing is asinine.
 

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https://www.fanverse.org/threads/unohana-gentei-kaijo-vs-nnoitra.1259758/page-2

5%, maybe even 2%

Oh wait that's the MINIMUM limiter that would be required for Nnoitra to stand an actual chance here, my mistake.
I think Unohana is far superior to most other captains because of her unparalleled sword-skills, high mastery of the Shinigami arts and natural combat ability, rather than because of a large reiatsu difference.

Zaraki's squad prizes battle strength above anything else yet are inherently scared of Unohana despite the fact she never drew her sword during SS for battle, so even as far as back as SS Arc this line of thinking falls apart
 

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Zaraki's squad prizes battle strength above anything else yet are inherently scared of Unohana despite the fact she never drew her sword during SS for battle, so even as far as back as SS Arc this line of thinking falls apart
It's also assuming that skill is much more of a factor in Bleach battles than it really is. Which is to say, it isn't unless the two combatants are on similar levels to start with. Unohana herself states at Zaraki's peak that she wouldn't be able to touch him at all.
 

Paxton

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It's like that in most fictions to be fair. All the skill in the world won't help a human against an elephant.
 

Adamant soul

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It's like that in most fictions to be fair. All the skill in the world won't help a human against an elephant.
I know, try telling that to people over there.

I still remember the time Sables tried to use Ichigo's fights with Ikkaku, Byakuya, Grimmjow etc. As examples of skill mattering when Ichigo got completely finessed by ALL of them in terms of skill and only won because he brute forced the fuck out of it.

They are literally THE prime examples of Bleach fights that prove skill means little to nothing.
 
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