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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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Paxton said:
Which doesn't work, because Coronzon works on completely different principles than they do.

You can arguably say Coronzon in the Abyss would be = to a Magic God in the Hidden World, but they literally can't interact at that point.

When nerfed twice (for the Magic Gods) and in a physical vessel (Coronzon), they're pretty much equal, with Coronzon probably being a step below. But they're like solar system+ in that state if you're being generous, potentially more but the scaling gets iffy at that point.
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We had a whole argument about it and that's one of the many reasons why the god tiers of the verse are banned from debates for now
 
Paxton said:
Othinus' ability is just Phase manipulation. So reality warping basically.

I don't really see why the scaling with Coronzon is messy though. The narration outright states that the sword's offensive power is equivalent to Gungnir. It's very cut and dry.
And it DID do something to be fair, it "overpowered" Imagine Breaker (though really that was it being due to an Aeon of Horus attack, nothing more).
She only used the sword a couple of other times and it's even noted that if a human (pretty sure it was referring to Hamazura) successfully dodged it, it would've ended up cutting through the barrier around the Queen Britannia, which would have made Coronzon's plan fall apart essentially.

I personally don't see the Magic Gods as that complicated, unless you take the dividing their power infinitely deal too literally. I see your point though. It's not like they were brought up out of nowhere.
And DC or Marvel absolutely have done stuff in a similar vein.
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For the Corozaon thing, I usually find it weird that she needed a weapon to do that sort of thing that she created as if she needs to do something like that to even do the function like destroy the universe.
Like unless there's some serious shit in terms of limits of abilities and attacks in certain series, I just wonder why you need to use X if you can just overcharge Y for the same result.
 
Xhominid The Fool said:
For the Corozaon thing, I usually find it weird that she needed a weapon to do that sort of thing that she created as if she needs to do something like that to even do the function like destroy the universe.
Like unless there's some serious shit in terms of limits of abilities and attacks in certain series, I just wonder why you need to use X if you can just overcharge Y for the same result.
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The main thing is that she's limited in terms of power as a physical vessel.
Like, she gets stronger with a vessel rather than just being roaming energy essentially, but she still needs the "sword" (which is more of an energy attack if you want to be technical rather than a literal sword) to do that level of damage. But the damage is more focused.

She works on different principles, plain and simple. Being an Abyss-crosser entails more haxy shit than raw biggatons in comparison to the Magic Gods.

The Magic Gods reached the sphere of God (Keter), while those in the Abyss/those who cross it are in a state where all the spheres are unified, including Keter.

This also ties into Anna Sprengel and her group being "above" them (Alice being their strongest member), but that's a whole other discussion and it's too early to say anything about their full capabilities. Not even getting in to whatever the fuck the Secret Chiefs are and Aiwass.
 
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Paxton said:
What makes him multiversal+ anyway? I can't seem to find much on him.
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He's a herald of Gaea and channeled enough energy to combat a Slorioth possessed druid, although briefly.

The same Slorioth possessed druid who's power was growing to such a point, that his very existence threatened Eternity. And the LT and Vishanti had to come depower druid and banish Slorioth.

For the record, Eternity avatar's are multiversal+ in power and durability, universal+ in scale.

I don't blame you for not knowing him, he's the very definition of an obscure character.
 
Paxton said:
The main thing is that she's limited in terms of power as a physical vessel.
Like, she gets stronger with a vessel rather than just being roaming energy essentially, but she still needs the "sword" (which is more of an energy attack if you want to be technical rather than a literal sword) to do that level of damage. But the damage is more focused.

She works on different principles, plain and simple. Being an Abyss-crosser entails more haxy shit than raw biggatons in comparison to the Magic Gods.

The Magic Gods reached the sphere of God (Keter), while those in the Abyss/those who cross it are in a state where all the spheres are unified, including Keter.
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See, that's where it gets confusing to me because I'm certain she made the weapon to do such a thing... but then she's limited by her physical vessel to do certain things... but she can make a Universal Destroying Weapon?
Like it comes off like how a Divine Spirit in the Nasuverse can somehow be stronger than the Machine Gods and Lostbelt Zeus from that logic.
Like I can understand what you are saying, I just find it funny.
 
Xhominid The Fool said:
See, that's where it gets confusing to me because I'm certain she made the weapon to do such a thing... but then she's limited by her physical vessel to do certain things... but she can make a Universal Destroying Weapon?
Like it comes off like how a Divine Spirit in the Nasuverse can somehow be stronger than the Machine Gods and Lostbelt Zeus from that logic.
Like I can understand what you are saying, I just find it funny.
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I guess you could compare it to Wodime being technically above Zeus due to specific circumstances? (Or however that worked, I don't remember LOL).

It's weird, but yeah. It's kind of like Aleister's Blasting Rod enabling him to exponentially boost his stats to the level where he can keep up with (although still lose) to the Magic Gods at full strength.
 
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