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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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Paxton

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Gojo is known for being one of the most broken characters in fiction, and practically defined to win battles. There's not one character that can hit as far above his own weight-class as Gojo.

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Any Nasuverse Character could resist it too considering Illusion Magic is a legit thing and it usually has to take the highest levels ones which make KS look like a piece of shit for them to be unable to do shit against.

KS is broken for it's own series but nowhere near as strong in other series. Being able to fool the Planet into believing your illusion is real is pretty bullshit.



Agreed, it's funny how many ways you can just stop Infinity from working, it's hilarious people still believe it's OP as hell.



Only when he died when Ichigo ganked him and Aizen revealed it so.
i mean infinity IS op its just not nearly to the extent people think it is

it's like how you used to find people thinking Giorno could face Thanos with the IG or some shit
 



:mjgrin

This really feels like something from Quora, holy shit.
And again:
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This already shuts down Infinity being broken when the more powerful something is, the more Cursed Energy he needs to use in response, meaning you can potentially fake him out by believing he will be attacked by a normal Katana and then surprise, the Katana can cut through Space and it kills Gojo.
Shiki Ryougi has a Katana that can cut Bounded Fields(Isolated Pockets of Space) just by unsheathing the blade.

i mean infinity IS op its just not nearly to the extent people think it is

it's like how you used to find people thinking Giorno could face Thanos with the IG or some shit

Like I'm not pretending it isn't OP, it absolutely is... but it's OP in the sense that the User is bullshit enough that the ability that is normally just bullshit is absurdly bullshit... but it still has flaws even then that you can exploit.
 

Paxton

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i mean infinity IS op its just not nearly to the extent people think it is

it's like how you used to find people thinking Giorno could face Thanos with the IG or some shit
Thanos won't be able to snap him. gg
 

Paxton

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This really feels like something from Quora, holy shit.
And again:
nKV89.png

This already shuts down Infinity being broken when the more powerful something is, the more Cursed Energy he needs to use in response, meaning you can potentially fake him out by believing he will be attacked by a normal Katana and then surprise, the Katana can cut through Space and it kills Gojo.
Shiki Ryougi has a Katana that can cut Bounded Fields(Isolated Pockets of Space) just by unsheathing the blade.



Like I'm not pretending it isn't OP, it absolutely is... but it's OP in the sense that the User is bullshit enough that the ability that is normally just bullshit is absurdly bullshit... but it still has flaws even then that you can exploit.
Gojo will always be an off-brand Accelerator regardless. :mjlol
 

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also like half of Bionicle's cast can punch up a lot higher than Gojo can lol

you have island level characters with hax that would fold people orders of magnitude above them

like if it weren't for a speed gap some of them could take fucking Dark Schneider
 

Yhwach being Yhwach again:
And how many dimension-cutting swords do you know of that have cut through infinite space? Usually the reach of the cut is fairly short.

Basically there are two arguments that can be made here.

Either the cut goes through super-space or the cut goes through regular space.

1. If it goes through super-space then you can make the counter-argument that just because a swords can cut through cloth doesn't mean it can cut through infinitely dense cloth.

2. If it goes through regular space then you can make the argument that it needs infinite reach before it should even be considered.

Gojo is known for being one of the most broken characters in fiction, and practically defined to win battles. There's not one character that can hit as far above his own weight-class as Gojo.

:mjlol :oldryoma
 

Paxton

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Yhwach being Yhwach again:


:mjlol :oldryoma
To be fair, I kind of get what he's saying. Not in that particular quote (I have no fucking idea what he's on about), but playing Devil's Advocate, wouldn't something that cuts through space by the definition of cutting require feats to cut through an infinite amount of space?

I know it's not LITERALLY infinite space in Gojo's case, but you get what I'm saying.
 
To be fair, I kind of get what he's saying. Not in that particular quote (I have no fucking idea what he's on about), but playing Devil's Advocate, wouldn't something that cuts through space by the definition of cutting require feats to cut through an infinite amount of space?

I know it's not LITERALLY infinite space in Gojo's case, but you get what I'm saying.

Unless that Infinite Space actually has ways of slowing down the blade? No.
 

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Paxton

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You could argue that invisibility is a form of illusion, but it's technically limited to just sight. Aizen's illusions affect all five senses.

It's up to interpretation I suppose because we need to know more of how Ainz could see through the enchantment of the Cloak of Invisibility and how it would relate to Aizen's ability.

Holy shit. He's actually being reasonable.
 

Iskander isn't considered remarkable in any way physically.

But he also didn't deflect GoB at all, in the novel he gets pin-cushioned pretty much immediately.

Siriel with that bullshit again...
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Iskander’s last charge vs Gilgamesh’s Gate of Babylon, Enkidu, and Ea.

"To Philotimo" - he challenged it because it was unreachable; he expressed his tyranny, exemplified it, for the sake of the servant who watched over his back.

The King of Heroes, towering over his path, calmly gazed at the challenger, and released the treasures of the vault. Twenty, forty, eighty - a swarm of Noble Phantasms deployed from thin air, shining like so many glittering stars. That light made the King of Conquerors reminiscent of the starry sky of the East far off in the distance that he would look up to.

"AAAALaLaLaLaie!!"

Bellowing with a delight that shook his heart, he rushed on together with his beloved horse.

With haughty growls, the rain of stars approached. Incessantly, mercilessly, the impacts trampled over their bodies. However, that pain was nothing more than a worthless trifle compared to the excitement of this sprint.



One step, and one step further. The only thing he had to do was simply repeat that. If he continued to accumulate it, then even that figure far in the distance would most surely be reached by his blade.

The swarm of stars poured on boisterously. In his fury where even his consciousness was prone to recede, his posture inadvertently and carelessly began to decline.

Then he realized that, at some point, he had started running on his own feet. How far did his beloved horse Bucephalus reach? Where did he end? He wanted to mourn for his friend, who had boldly carried out his duty to the end, but that was why he could not stop now. This step he would now take forward was in itself the mourning for those who were scattered.

His golden rival, as though understanding this, said something with an expression of amazement. But he could not hear him. Not even the flashes of light grazing past his ears, with the sounds of violent winds, could reach his ears.

...

He saw his dream as he ran on the beach. The sensation of the sprays he kicked up felt pleasant on his toes. The bright red soaking his feet might be the blood flowing from his own abdomen, but what of it? Right now, he was watching a dream of the sea. How could there be any greater bliss?

The King of Heroes awaited him, right before his very eyes. One more step - and then, just one more, and his sword, brandished high, could cleave apart the crown of his head.

"Haaaah - !!"

With a ringing victory cry that reached the Heavens, he swung down the sword of the Cypriots.

It was the peak of a moment when he was convinced of his victory. The instant that should have passed in the blink of an eye seemed, for some reason, to stretch into an eternity. It was as though time stood still -

No. In truth, it did stop - not the flow of time, but his own body.

Just before the swung sword could reach, his blade, his limbs, his shoulders, and his abdomen were wrapped around by a tough chain; the King of Conquerors sighed.

Enkidu - the secret among secrets contained in the King of Heroes' vault. The restraint that captured even the Bull of Heaven.

" - Good grief... All these oddities, one after another..."

There was no wonder or regret. He simply derided himself for finally tripping over a small careless mistake. A bitter smile rose from his bloodstained lips.

The sword of the Cypriots could not reach him; however, Gilgamesh's Sword of Rupture pierced through Alexander's chest with its dull tip. He could feel the sensation of the slowly grinding blade inside his vitals. This sword just becomes more and more absurd - the King of Conquerors felt amazement as well as admiration, as though this was the affair of another.



"This expedition has, been... exciting, in all respects as well..."

Alexander murmured in satisfaction, narrowing the corners of his eyes which were blurred by a blood haze. Ascertaining his expression of rapture, Gilgamesh solemnly nodded.

"You may challenge it however many times you wish, King of Conquerors."

To his worthy opponent, whose entire body was skewered from head to toe by the rain of Noble Phantasms, yet who did not stop until thwarted by the Chain of Heaven, the King of Heroes gave his greatest reward - he honored him with true feelings of admiration.

"Until the end of time, this world will always be my garden. Thus, I can assure you. You shall never find this world tiresome."

"Ooh...? That's, good to, hear..."

In the end, carelessly giving out the appropriate response, Servant Rider was quietly extinguished.



In terms of time, it was merely a short battle. It was nothing more than an offense and defense that barely filled the few seconds it took for the mounted Heroic Spirit to gallop across to the opposite bridgehead.

It literally played it like it did in the Anime, Iskandar explicitly reached Gilgamesh and even deflected a few GoB attacks of his own accord and required Enkidu to hold him off of striking Gilgamesh and died by Ea to the insides.
It's even worse that Siriel states that Iskandar "Isn't considered remarkable" in a physical fashion... when the series states otherwise:
From an advantageous position, Artoria clashes with Iskander. The clash between herself and Iskander proves the pair equal as Iskander successfully blocks and deflects Artoria’s blow away.

And this position above the enemy’s head was one of absolute advantage in crossing blades. This was indeed the grace of the goddess of victory given to the sword-wielding Heroic Spirit; this time was a chance of certain victory.

“Die, Rider!”

Invisible Air, which had been lifted as if she gambled everything with this one blow — slowed slightly with hesitation at that time.

Rider raised his own blade to block. The blades that clashed together—considering only power, Saber should have had a greater chance of victory due to the advantage of her position; however, the outcome was an even match. Invisible Air could not break past Rider’s defenses, and had at last been deflected away
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Thus was an excellent opportunity to seize victory lost in vain, but Saber’s unease was for another reason.

“Einzbern is not here?!”

There was no mistake. In the instant that the V-MAX had leaped, she had seen that in the charioteer’s seat of Gordius Wheel, aside from the driver Rider there was only his Master

So again, Siriel is lying like a motherfucker and people believe him because "he's the Nasuverse guy" despite being a massive contrairian that many people fucking caught when he tried that shit with Chaos.
 
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