Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Xhominid The Apex]

wat happened

It's more talking about how Tsukishima's Book of The End works as in truth, while he can insert himself into people's memories, the best way to make it easy for himself is to replace someone else in their memories and use that as a basis and further expand from there.
While we do see him helping against Rukia and Aizen, he also replaced Orihime's brother in her memories and replaced Chad's Grandfather in his(This is also when Tsukishima started explicitly fucking with those memories they nearly had a mind break).

So in truth, it's not an actual Genjutsu or any of that sort as Tsukishima explains before he repairs Ichigo's Bankai to be healed he actually creates a whole ass branch of time as to him, those events are genuinely real as much as they are to everyone else he infects. It's why me and Adamant explicitly state Book of The End is the strongest Bleach ability period, even above the wanked Almighty.

 

[Paxton]

Accelerator vs Makima

Speed equalized Starting distance is 20 meters Accel in his post awakening key, with access to black and white wings Starts in base. Accelerator: Makima:

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Nuking japan is very out of character of him even if he doesn't care much about others, he is not gonna a kill a country containing his love ones and students (his the current board chairman is AC.)

Accelerator cant interact something that is intangible

 

[Paxton]

[R1M5] Venefica's Tier 7 Tourney: Asuna Kamakura vs Accelerator

Original Tourney Thread Tourney Bracket Votes Character Key Votes Asuna Kamakura Adventurers Tournament Arc 0 Accelerator Post-Headshot 0 Inconclusive 0 This is the fifth match of the VeneficaAuthor Tier 7-A/High 7-A tourney! It's Asuna Kamakura from Bakuhatsu: Starting Live Over...

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fanfic character
Accelerator's profile is so bad he's getting put up against city level niggas

It messes with space-time... like normal gravity, you mean?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/frieren-vs-sauron-palpatine-voldemort.1150250/

How is this a topic? Why is it a topic? Frieren would get murdered by everyone but Voldemort who she murders but of course:

Frieren 360 no-scopes all of them at once. Sauron and Voldermort won't technically be killed by it but they would be otherwise incapaciatated. As far as their physical bodies go, they're all incredibly unremarkable, even Sauron.

Sauron's power is largely subtle manipulation and corruption of purpose, unless he's stomping mortals in his physical form and even then he's no Tulkas.

Palpatine, I don't even know what Palpatine is going to do when the penny drops, he's a master at sword fighting and force lightning, neither of which are going to stop Frieren.

Voldemort is vaporised like the joke he is.

Speed equalized it's the same except Voldemort and Palpatine get to shoot before they die again.

Someone brings up the Silmarillion

Sauron: please quantify that into any form of relevancy. I have read the Silmarillion.

Palpatine: is that how he beat Mace Windu? At no point is it within character for Palpatine to pull off a force storm at the drop of a penny against a seemingly human target, meanwhile it is 100% within character for Frieren to style on everyone in the room with a disco ball of rock-boring lasers.

...How do you need to quantify this?

Sauron in his prime was a basically angel of creation, a greater Maiar, beings who were capable of shattering mountains, and lifting archipelagos.

Even if you want to use the "lowest interpretation" of Mountains to prove that point(Which is retarded in and of itself and further shows the dishonesty SB loves brewing), you cannot downplay being able to lift archipelagos...

Definition of ARCHIPELAGO

an expanse of water with many scattered islands; a group of islands; something resembling an archipelago; especially : a group or scattering of similar things… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

: an expanse of water with many scattered islands
: a group of islands

To put it simply, look at the world map of Chrono Cross:

THAT is an Archipelago(The game itself literally calls it El Nido ARCHIPELAGO)
EDIT: The worst part is you don't even need to use Chrono Cross because real life Archipelagos are just as big, just as wide and just as dense meaning that it's even dumber to pretend you can't figure it out.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/frieren-vs-sauron-palpatine-voldemort.1150250/?post=99679484#post-99679484

I like how you are using this feat when it failed to kill anyone directly. It was literally what amounted to a magical EMP. Which is great for the situation it was used, but not particularly useful again someone shooting him with laser beams from within the same room.

I FULLY remember Palpatine's Force Storm actually killed quite a number of Pilots...



Just because it didn't kill the named characters didn't mean nobody died(Especially in one scene where we literally see people getting fried inside of their ship) especially considering Frieren would have to eat ALL OF THAT... but again, this would have to be where SB would understand how this shit works... which they don't, adamantly refuse to and bitch at you if you dare try.

Like, no offense, but the idea that Palpatine has this overwhelming power against people is not really indicated anywhere. He can do some crazy shit, but that is all on the macro level and never against an individual person.

...This is pure fanfiction debating again, this is ALL Spacebattles is literally capable of. Just because there is the absence of evidence, it does not mean the evidence of absence! Especially when we see him use it AGAINST REY PALPATINE, THE ONE PERSON!

On the micro level the most impressive thing he has done is his force lightning in RoS (outside of the EU which I am sure he has more impressive feats in), which was being resisted by a singular lightsaber.

So we are just going to ignore how and why Mace Windu was able to resist Force Lightning in general right? Because it very clearly isn't JUST the Lightsaber if we actually read how he was able to do it(Also ignore that Yoda was able to fend them off with The Force but hey, that would give Frieren a chance to lose, can't have that).

Ray only needed help from the force and a second lightsaber to deflect it back at him.

Let's ignore that she had help from every known Jedi in existence which would include LUKE, LEIA AND ANAKIN FUCKING SKYWALKER!(Let's also ignore Palpatine is also aided by every Sith in existence but that wouldn't be fair either).

Every other feat of his force lightning is dangerous in that it would kill the person being subjected to it before long, but its not an instant kill move by any means, nor is it impossible to defend against.

Couldn't be that Force Lightning is able to fuck up your soul, Palpatine explicitly prolongs it because that's the grip of the Dark Side on him and the fact that we have seen Starkiller needs an amp with Force Lightning to cripple Vader yet Palpatine did that all on his own in RoTJ(Which was weaker than he is in RoS...), ignore all of the canonical reasons to pretend Frieren can tank Force Lightning to kill Palpatine first when no one else could do anything against it once it hits them.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/frieren-vs-sauron-palpatine-voldemort.1150250/page-2?post=99685856#post-99685856

Someone brings up Palpatine can Force Choke Frieren to death

Un-fucking-ironically:

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/frieren-vs-sauron-palpatine-voldemort.1150250/page-2?post=99685856#post-99685856

Frieren is massively more durable than anyone that's worked on/can use magic to protect her neck/can use magic freely while hanging suspended from her neck. Pick whichever you prefer.

If someone EVER tells you Spacebattles has not been made fun of enough, show this post, show this post got likes and then continue mocking the shit out of the site and the people on it.
There is no way in fucking hell you believe the Force Choke is literally the equivalent of a Human snapping someone's neck, there is no fucking way you can type this shit out and not be laughed out anywhere else!

 

[seth]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/strongest-demon-character-that-frieren-can-defeat.1150274/

Coronzon

And ahriman. She gets wasted by any decent chaos sorceror

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Accelerator vs Makima

Speed equalized Starting distance is 20 meters Accel in his post awakening key, with access to black and white wings Starts in base. Accelerator: Makima:

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i agree because i have yet to see an intangible wall at home depot

 

[Paxton]

i agree because i have yet to see an intangible wall at home depot

intangible walls aren't visible to non-sorcerers

 

[SupremeZaarin]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/frieren-vs-sauron-palpatine-voldemort.1150250/page-2

Palpatine has demonstrated way higher offensive than defensive force abilities when it comes to the force. In fact, he's rather notorious for being unable to block his own lightning, to his repeated detriment. He's also either an old man or a clone of a merely human man. Not exactly the pinnacle of durability.

Uh no???

The same energy used offensively can also be used defensively. That's the way the Force works. It is not like a special skill set that is locked in. The Force is a general set of abilities that come from the same source and translate well into each other.

Since it would be nonsensical to conclude that "speed equalized" means Palpatine is able to fire off an attack faster than Frieren, in a hypothetical uber Palpatine scenario both sides would open up with a volley of lighting/necksnapping/zoltraak. The immense power of generously interpreted high end Palpatine flattens Frieren. Palpatine and company are flattened in turn by a volley of simultaneously launched magical artillery scale bolts which pierce magical defenses. Everyone involved drops dead.

Palpatine anticipates this with his insanely overpowered precognition and quickly creates a Force shield with a mixture of Tutaminis. After doing so, he would summon a Force Storm to destroy her.

So, sure. There's a Palpatine out there who might be able to come back again and again after getting blasted by Frieren. However, that Palpatine hasn't shown the feats to actually take Frieren with him.

Lmfao no, the firepower of the Disney canon Palpatine is far beyond anything that Frieren could ever hope to comprehend. EU Palpatine would solo anyone in her verse. Both versions of Palps do have the power to take down Frieren.

That this fleet destroying lightning will be able to get through Frieren's shields despite Rey being able to block said lightning with a pair of sabers.

Regardless, his lighting is also able to blocked with a single lightsaber, and deflected with two, so I imagine Frieren's magic shields that are able to tank Zoltraaks and Denken's fire tornado should be able to deal with it pretty well.

In what way does blocking with a lightsaber make the Force lightning attack any less impressive? If anything, it is a testament to how powerful lightsabers can be.

Feel free to prove that the force can be used that way, because it never is. The Jedi also don't bother to pull out this incredible trick when they regularly get inconvenienced by non force users. Like, you're asserting that Obi-wan could have exploded Jango's head at any point in AotC and just...chose not to.

They have done this a number of times in Lucas' canon? It is also a demonstration of the fact that non-Force users are far beyond any IRL human. I mean, Kir Kanos, who is a member of the Imperial Royal Guard, had been trained to the point where he could actually block and dodge blaster bolts at close range and fast enough to accurately shoot down the TIE Pilot of an incoming TIE Interceptor. The fact that non Force users can contend with Force users just means that the non Force users have capabilities that exponentially far surpasses an IRL human at their peak. Not that it downplays Force users.

Either way, Palpatine stomps. Sauron would destroy her as well. The only one who get destroyed from Frieren is Voldemort.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

legends star wars is probably still the most downplayed series ive ever seen

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

legends star wars is probably still the most downplayed series ive ever seen

I can't stop laughing at the fact they genuinely believe Frieren can literally deal with a Force Choke by "dealing with it with spells" as if she will survive long enough to do so
Reminder that Vader and Palpatine's Force Chokes have rendered even powerful Jedi and Sith helpless and straight up killed them at that...

Either way, Palpatine stomps. Sauron would destroy her as well. The only one who get destroyed from Frieren is Voldemort.

Teh told me this about Sauron vs. Frieren and it's honestly a pretty beautiful and fucked up way to end it:
Sauron peers into Frieren's mind, he turns into Himmel and decides to walk up to Frieren and gank her... and Frieren just allows Sauron to do that because it's Himmel.

Guaranteed SB will tell you a million reasons how it somehow makes no sense despite Frieren hates the fact she outlived all of her companions and the love of her life especially and would absolutely die to that illusion just to be with Himmel.

 

[King]

Who would win in a fight, Doctor Doom (Earth-616) with 2 weeks of prep or Lord Voldemort with the Elder Wand & 1 week of prep?

Answer (1 of 6): Voldemort with years worth of Prep time failed to take down Hogwarts Dr. Strange on the other hand can casually fight beings that can destroy universes Not even kidding when saying that the man was able to break the bonds of the Living Tribunal, fight the Inbetweener and match ...

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[Papa Nier]

Morgoth’s dragon, Ancalagon the Black can keep up with Earendil within the Vingilot. A ship that can sail the stars and back to Middle-Earth within a day. Sauron at his prime should be comparable.

Vingilot

Vingilot (Quenya), or Vingilótë or Wingilótë [wiŋɡiˈloːte]), was the ship in which Eärendil and Elwing sailed to Aman in order to seek pardon and assistance from the Valar. Guided by the light of a Silmaril, Eärendil navigated Vingilot through the Shadowy Seas to the Blessed Realm of Aman; he...

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[Papa Nier]

There is also this.

Varda creating lesser stars by throwing dew up into the sky.

Then Varda went forth from the council, and she looked out from the height of Taniquetil, and beheld the darkness of Middle-earth beneath the innumerable stars, faint and far. Then she began a great labour, greatest of all the works of the Valar since their coming into Arda. She took the silver dews from the vats of Telperion, and therewith she made new stars and brighter against the coming of the Firstborn; wherefore she whose name out of the deeps of time and the labours of Eä was Tintalle, the Kindler, was called after by the elves Elentari, Queen of the Stars. Carnil and Luinil, Nenar and Lumbar, Alcarinque and Elemmire she wrought in that time, and many other of the ancient stars she gathered together and set as signs in the heavens of Arda: Wilwarin, Telumendil, Soronume, and Anarrima; and Menelmacar with his shining belt, that forebodes the Last Battle that shall be at the end of days. And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom. - Source: The Silmarillion

 

[LeonLex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/iron-man-mcu-vs-jotaro-kujo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-stardust-crusaders.1149716/

People are downplaying MCU again.
Also, what's with Jojo peeps and attacking organs?

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/tomura-shigaraki-mha-vs-naruto-uzumaki-naruto.1149065/

There is no way Shiggy is taking Kurama away from Naruto.
Or that Naruto is going to have trouble with Shiggy.

 

[King]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mahoraga-jjk-vs-daemon-prince-angron-wh40k.1150313/ angron nuke niggas with a supernova explosion

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Sephiroth (FFVII) vs Vecna (Stranger Things)

Neutral conditions in Upsidedown World No idea if this is balanced.

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Legit even SBs Sephiroth could solo

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

There is also this.

Varda creating lesser stars by throwing dew up into the sky.

These stars are noted to be the planets of the Solar System too (sans Venus).

In the second, all but final, draft my father is seen in the act of devising the names of the constellations, with various experimental forms before those that appear in the final text were reached; but he set down the names of the stars without any hesitation, thus: Karnil, Luinil, Nenar, Lumbar, Alkarinque, Elemmire. Above Karnil he wrote 'M', above Lumbar 'S', above Alkarinque 'Jup', and above Elemmire again 'M'. No letter stands above Luinil, but above Nenar there is an'N' which was struck out (Mr Elston informs me that this 'N'is perfectly clear in the original and that no other interpretation is possible).
Now if Alkarinque is Jupiter, then a great red star named Karnil and marked with 'M' must be Mars (cf. Michael Ramer's name Karan for Mars, IX.220) - which in turn leads to the identification of Lumbar('S') with Saturn, and Elemmire ('M') with Mercury. In an article by Jorge Quinonez and Ned Raggett, Nole i Meneldilo, Lore of the Astronomer, published in the periodical Vinyar Tengwar no. 12 (July1990), the authors concluded that my father originally intended Nenar('N') for the planet Neptune, but transferred the identification to Luinil, Nenar thus becoming Uranus. The six names, therefore, are the Elvish names of the planets other than Venus (Earendil); and this conclusion appears to be no mere ingenious deduction but to derive from my father's own clear indications.

It's also noted that there's nothing in the elven myths and legends that 'seriously conflicts with present human notions of the Solar System' (including it's size and position relative to the Universe).

The traditions here referred to have come down from the Eldar of the First Age, through Elves who never were directly acquainted with the Valar, and through Men who received 'lore' from the Elves, but who had myths and cosmogonic legends, and astronomical guesses, of their own. There is, however, nothing in them that seriously conflicts with present human notions of the Solar System, and its size and position relative to the Universe.

Oh yeah, and individual Valar a great command the physical matter of Ea.

The Valar has a command, great individually, almost complete as a united council, over the physical matter of Eä (the material universe).

 

[Adamant soul]

Gremmy vs Gear 5 Luffy

For the sake of this thread, Gremmy's outer space feat will NOT count as a creation feat, but a transportation feat.

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For the sake of this thread, Gremmy's outer space feat will NOT count as a creation feat, but a transportation feat.

It's NEVER been anything other than a transportation feat, unless you want to keep trying to deal with the inherent contradiction of him being able to make galaxies when he needs at least one clone just to make a continent level meteor.

Probably gremmy, he can just make him die with a thought.

He's literally only done this to a guy who was his creation to begin with. If he could have done it to Kenpachi, he most certainly would have and yet he didn't. Luffy is stronger than Kenpachi in every way.

The only leg luffy really has to stand on is haki which is kind of shaky since it’s only shown to resist stuff up to spatial hax. No reailty manipulation

Yeah just a shame Gremmy's reality warping is shit compared to that spatial hax haki was able to resist so I see no reason it wouldn't. Especially as Bleach has a very similar system regarding hax and having much more reiatsu (haki in this case).

Again he couldn't do any of this shit against Kenpachi directly, so why is he going to be able to turn Luffy into shit when Luffy is even stronger?