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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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SupremeZaarin said:
That was written during 19 BBY when Palps discovered the Force Storm technique. By the time of Dark Empire, he would have perfected the technique.
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The true irony is that he DID perfect it by Dark Empire, he just went into his typical Dark Side high(REALLY can't blame him as the Dark Side is like an extremely addictive drug and has been stated as such, Palpatine would be on the Tony Montana route) and went after everyone else and fucked around too much(Which helped caused his defeat).

So it doesn't even make sense for either Disney Dark Sidious(Who used Force Storm against Rey) nor Legends Sidious(which nothing states he cannot use Force Storm on someone nearby amongst many other tools like the former) to effortlessly dispose of Frieren past absolute nonsense.
 
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/kamen-rider-valvarad-runs-a-sword-user-gauntlet.1150430/. round 1) Grog season 2, Vox machina

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:forizzle Why the heck is rwby on this list
 
Rusted Knight LMAO, that's literally Jaune. Just call the dude by his name.
RT made him a huge failure by making it a legit paradox, any RWBY fan would want to forget that shit.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
It's funny because BBhoteppu did make an account here... only to cheerlead GaRbS whenever he comes here and tries to talk shit(it's BB-Chan) and nothing else.
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Once she mention double standard against Fate, I agree, then eventually later I called her out for doing double standard against Fate...Kinda disappointed.
Xhominid The Apex said:
No, there are actually many times Servants can go Lightspeed or even faster(There are quite a few points in F/SN-F/Z-HA era alone where Servants are stated to attack "As fast as light"), that's the whole point of a section in Fate Extra/CCC when Kiara blows your Servant away to "a whole different Galaxy"(It's the Mythological Mystic Code that allows them to survive the experience) and a surprising number of Servants actually uses Light as an attack(Sherlock Holmes Magnifying Glasses buffs any light passing through them with enough Magical Energy to be a threat to Surtr-Sigurd in Ascension 1, Dioscuri and Charlemagne has Mana Burst: Light, Archimedes uses the same method that Sherlock Holmes does and his NP explicitly shows it at length, etc.)

Unless you mean Triple Accel was only talking about Dioscuri there.
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Yeah I know those too, but thats like 3 or 4 times all combined. Don't think that's a lot. Thats the reason why I don't find it problematic that people think Servant can't go against speed of light, especially since a lot of people misunderstand what BB said. The feats exist but not a lot...At least I remember only like 3 or 4 of them.
 
Salfarc said:
Once she mention double standard against Fate, I agree, then eventually later I called her out for doing double standard against Fate...Kinda disappointed.
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It's like we've been stating it before:
It's an attempt to placate to SB in the dumbest ways possible since it allows them to downplay even harder than just shutting them up at the pass. It's the same reason people are able to get away with the wank of other series because they constantly push it through with no real pushback on it.

Salfarc said:
Yeah I know those too, but thats like 3 or 4 times all combined. Don't think that's a lot. Thats the reason why I don't find it problematic that people think Servant can't go against speed of light, especially since a lot of people misunderstand what BB said. The feats exist but not a lot...At least I remember only like 3 or 4 of them.
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That's the problem though: It's effectively meaningless to care about how many times it's stated because it ultimately doesn't matter.
Unless the feat is contradicted in a massive way(aka is literally one and done) or is meant to be an outlier in the story, it's counted regardless.
It's stated 3-4 times in FGO Olympus yes, but that doesn't matter when throughout the franchise, Relativistic speeds are stated for Servants on a number of occasions for friends and foes alike:

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This isn't me including Diarmuid and Artoria reaching Relativistic speeds while they are just warming up in F/Z nor the fact that Hessian Lobo's reaction speed reaching low Microseconds - high Nanoseconds in Shinjuku is also Relativistic or the fact that in a general tone or the fact that Zeus and his Machine God Fleet needs FTL by a good amount to get around the universe in thousands upon thousands of years? The only reason why Servants can't attain FTL isn't that they literally cannot, it's just the strain of going that fast is too much for their Saint Graph unless they get outside modifications(Which is why the MMC is needed in Extra CCC).

Ultimately, it's meaningless to care about how many times it's stated, it only matters if it's ever truly contradicted and that's the problem when it comes to feats from Fate:
They never truly are contradicted, it's usually people using ridiculous standards or having poor reading comprehension most of the time.
 
Salfarc said:
Yeah I know those too, but thats like 3 or 4 times all combined. Don't think that's a lot. Thats the reason why I don't find it problematic that people think Servant can't go against speed of light, especially since a lot of people misunderstand what BB said. The feats exist but not a lot...At least I remember only like 3 or 4 of them.
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More than series like Bleach have going for them. Doesn’t even have real speed feats until the last arc because Kubo is allergic to backgrounds and enamored with the worthless blitzing trope circular reasoning

You only need a claim or showing, the bar is subterranean for a number of popularly discussed media
 
Xhominid The Apex said:



"Because we've seen Disney Palpatine use Force Storm against a whole ass load of ships in the sky, it definitely doesn't mean he can use Force Storm on a singular target nearby!"

- An actual argument from a Spacebattler
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...Palpatine is famous for using his Force lightning on Luke. Have these people literally not seen the movies?

Also in TROS IIRC I'm pretty sure he was only targetting enemy ships (and he used his lightning against Kylo Ren and Rey, though I can forgive not remembering that movie a lot more than ROTJ).
 
@Xhominid The Apex @Triple Accel 555 Talking about speed of light, there is also this.

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Sukuna (current) vs Ashiya Dōman No outside help Classic equipment For Douman can be used Anime, Game, Light Novel feats For Sukuna can be used Anime and manga feats Douman is not fused with the Fantasy Tree To the death Distance: 50 m Place: abandoned city
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ChaosTheory123 said:
More than series like Bleach have going for them. Doesn’t even have real speed feats until the last arc because Kubo is allergic to backgrounds and enamored with the worthless blitzing trope circular reasoning

You only need a claim or showing, the bar is subterranean for a number of popularly discussed media
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Man, this is getting confusing. Assuming what you said here is true, then the double standard is real.
 
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This one is actually fun.
I'm just kind of reminded of people saying things like "Vilgax is really fast, because he could catch XLR8". And like, okay, great. He also trades blows with Four Arms. Is he as fast as XLR8 too? Well then what the fuck is the point of XLR8 in the first place?
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Yes, Four Arms is indeed that fast when it comes to combat. Dude was dodging lightning from the Weather Monster.
Diamondhead was blocking lasers in the OG cartoon.
XLR8 is an alien with movement as well as combat speed.
 
Haven’t followed RWBY in over a decade so no comment. That’s said, doesn’t take much to beat Yor unless we give her Street Fighter scaling now
 
LeonLex said:
The year doesn't matter, the lack of brains/info does.
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Gotta change that around as that pretends that they lack info because they don't look for it normally rather than they intentionally don't even try unless it's to downplay.

Salfarc said:
Man, this is getting confusing. Assuming what you said here is true, then the double standard is real.
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It is true... that's the entire problem people have when it comes to shit like this.
The only speed feat you could have EVER given Bleach before the final arc is in the Databook that Ichigo's Bankai speed is as fast as Lightning which is why the OBD had Bleach at a consistent Mach 29+ and City+ for most of the franchise. It wasn't due to hate or anything of that nature, it literally had none worth a shit. Even after Chaos's update, Bleach only then got an upgrade on DC but not their actual speed(Outside of reflexes).

Bleach is carried by one speed feat and it's literally shared only by 3 people.. and most series only gets by with one or two quotes of their highest speed which makes it funnier that the Nasuverse somehow isn't consistent despite having more Lightspeed Quotes than most series do...

For instance, Lightspeed is only talked about in JoJo in Part 3 like twice and Araki only says the characters are FTL for only 2. This is why scaling is so important kids.

Salfarc said:
@Xhominid The Apex @Triple Accel 555 Talking about speed of light, there is also this.
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It's funny because dudes continually end up being asshurt and having to act like "Sukuna bodies a good number of Fate characters including Servants" and it's like... no he doesn't :obamalaugh

Not even Jujutsufolk, who basically has people meming hardcore and hell, hates the Sukuna wank itself, even believes that shit. Like the speed is pointless anyway as Sukuna has no means to hurt Ashiya and Ashiya can just effortlessly kill him with his physical strength, curse him to death or hell, just literally eat his ass like he did to 3 Divine Spirits just to get a leg up on Seimei(Which failed miserably lol).
 
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