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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Ah yeah witnessing that shit was pure gold. The unbridled anger and meltdown that arised from his last comments on Atem's blog.

But to be honest, as shitty and contemptible NC may be as a poster...

I would have actually been willing to pay someone a hundred bucks just to see him join CBR and troll NiKKK ASSta and the other sorry excuse of regular debaters on that shithole excuse of a battle board and rip them apart and go on the guy's Twitter to rip him apart for good measure.
What did he do?

And actually, he already is on CBR


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What did he do?

And actually, he already is on CBR


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Really? WTF? Goddamn you serious bro... NC is really on CBR of all places NOW?

What are the fucking odds? I wish I could have been the one to find out and tell you guys.

This turned out to be a rather strangely interesting year.
 
Ichigo with the Almighty instantly turns the others into powerless ants :tupac

Huh? So you forget how Hakai works in DBZ? And the fact that the Angels and Zeno exists? Let's not even get into the actual abilities people tend to miss like Devilman's instant kill attack if you have ANY evil in your heart, Boss Bunny's ability to turn people into carrots and other shit from DB people miss, let alone shit from GT and DBS which just turns Goku into an unkillable monstrosity that can kill you from anywhere at any time right down to your soul.


I still have to laugh at the Klironmia wank that Spacebattles has pushed into themselves despite people explicitly pointing out how dumb that wank is multiple times(Caenis never benefited from the Klironmia in any major way yet she absolutely kept up with everyone else who had it and utterly destroyed beings that had it. Achilles with his heel shot and dying did the same with not only hundreds of warriors with it but embarrassed Chiron who had Zeus Nanomachines and Odysseus and him straight up died despite having it themselves... hell, the mats even state that LB Odysseus' battle with his Servant counterpart was not remotely a stomp but a very close battle he just won the edge of which would be the same with LB Chiron and his Servant self).

It's all funny because you don't even NEED to use the Kliromnia shit to have Mash dominate the entirety of MHA:

  • She defeated Saber Lancelot in combat(Even if he wasn't 100% mentally into it)
  • She straight up killed Solomon's body meanwhile taking his ridiculously powerful blows from him no problem
  • She was able to hold off multiple attacks from Lostbelt Ivan The Terrible despite those attacks being comparable to Divine Spirits, if not surpassing them(Him casually just being woken up for a second can destroy a whole village)
  • Blocks the radiation and gravitation from the Tree of Emptiness in LB3.

and this isn't even getting into what we see in the anime just has her being able to murder everyone in the series no problem or the fact that her Lord Camelot(Or even just the halfassed version) can reflect attacks back at the user.
 
Mash blocked and reflected a black hole from U-Olga and that shit has planet's earth weight in just a fingertip of its total mass.
So Mashu bitchslaps MHA , Mashle , HST and FT at the same time. :jordangif
 
Weird match, brook don't bring anything.

Saber should have Avalon, Gilgamesh is apparently at full power, but also arrogant?

The servants would need to bring their light speed feats to the table, is it casual? Can they maintain it in a fight against a light speed fighter?

Gilgamesh would need to be able to react to Luffy and pull EA asap while Sabe has to launch Excalibur the moment she gets out of Avalon

Any other Scenario Luffy oneshot them both
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Mash blocked and reflected a black hole from U-Olga and that shit has planet's earth weight in just a fingertip of its total mass.
So Mashu bitchslaps MHA , Mashle , HST and FT at the same time. :jordangif

It was a Gravity Well to be fair... but considering even that thing was a danger to the Storm Border which again, requires Divine Constructs to even scratch... still is enough for her to bitchslap multiple series at once.


Did Artoria get FTL feats while I wasn't looking? Luffy can react to Kizaru moving at explicitly the speed of light, which is absurdly beyond anything most depictions of Artoria could ever hope to react to.

No? Again, I have no idea why SB goes with that retarded "Most depictions" shit as if somehow there are multiple Throne of Heroes in each series when there is just one outside of time and space. Because otherwise, Artoria is Relativistic with reactions to FTL and Luffy himself is not FTL and can only react that fast.

The best speed feat I remember for either was Gilgamesh possibly lightning timing in Strange Fake, which is still far slower than Luffy.

Again, that's not remotely Gilgamesh's fastest speed feat or reaction feat. Secondly, Luffy himself is not FTL, he can only react that far due to his Haki giving him that ability to see attacks coming.

Yeah, Gilgamesh jobs massively in Stay Night, but he fights competently in Strange Fake even while remaining arrogant and in character.

That's incorrect as shit, Gilgamesh, despite the memes perpetuated by certain fan groups, is not the jobber people love saying he is.
The Fate Route had him lose due to circumstances he could never feasibly prepared for(Dealing with the True Name Avalon)
The UBW Route had everything be put into Shirou's favor and that had to require Shirou continually pissing off Gilgamesh as if he composed himself again, Shirou would be dead.
Even Heaven's Feel is less "Gilgamesh dies to The Shadow because jobber" and more "Gilgamesh lost because The Shadow ganked him the INSTANT he dropped his guard at the severity of how far it became and Sakura had to instantly digest him or he would tear her apart from the inside"

It's funny because if you go with his depictions in other parts of the franchise, he either blows through everyone he faces, or loses due to extreme odds or his opponents just being that ludicrous(Like Karl).

If OP meant it as a means of nerfing Gilgamesh, then perhaps they meant the Stay Night jobbing version, but that version gets stomped.

No, F/SN Gilgamesh would kill Luffy before he even tried to go to Gear 5, know about about Haki in it's many forms and immediately make countermeasures on the spot.
 
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Yeah it's kinda of a huge problem in comparison to other types of Mana Bursts which makes themselves more clear(like Karna's) and even Mordred's isn't as hampered by it since while she has the Mana Burst being her Armor deal, she still has the Lightning as an indicator of when it's going all in or even decently.

So Artoria's being pure Magical Energy and little else kinda gives off the impression she's never doing it when she is... that's what her armor is and that's where all of her strength is atleast in F/SN(Before we basically get stuff from other series that imply that Artoria and Mordred are atleast decently strong rather than just "weaker than Rin" before they use their Mana Bursts for physical boosts).
It wasn't really given statement she use them, and she is lacking in mana, and she didn't really get the shining a lot which is her tell-tale. All this point to she didn't use it a lot in F/SN. She can reinforce herself or equivalent of Reinforcement even without using Mana Burst, as you yourself said, all Servants can do that.

Although the main point is how she can still do Mana Burst and she isn't weak even without Dragon Core, just obviously not that strong without Dragon Core.
 
Actually is way easier to debunk One Piece FTL and continental than Fate stuff, just saying :easythere

It is but again, there's no point in playing that game because the issue is that unless you do shit like SB does, there is no logic that gives Luffy any chance of defeating Gilgamesh at this point.
Gilgamesh can react faster, hit FAR harder than Luffy ever could, can endure shit harder than Luffy could and isn't on a timer when it comes to his strongest form(and even then, Luffy's Toon stuff is overrated as he still got legit burned by Kizaru's Light Beams and can get slashed up and Noble Phantasms are built to say fuck off to the typical laws so Luffy's ghetto Toon Physics isn't saving his ass either).


It wasn't really given statement she use them, and she is lacking in mana, and she didn't really get the shining a lot which is her tell-tale. All this point to she didn't use it a lot in F/SN. She can reinforce herself or equivalent of Reinforcement even without using Mana Burst, as you yourself said, all Servants can do that.

Although the main point is how she can still do Mana Burst and she isn't weak even without Dragon Core, just obviously not that strong without Dragon Core.

Well yeah but Type-Rey and I was stating that she does use Mana Burst constantly in F/SN as that is what her armor is:
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Those metal pieces are Magical Energy emitted from her, not actual metal or clothing(This is why it's funny when people act like Pyrrha can "manipulate it" when it's known in F/Z and F/SN that's not metal). The problem is that people see how Salter uses Mana Burst and don't realize that's NOT how most Servants even use their equivalents because that's absolute overkill and an enormous waste of magical energy.
It's why Karna's absolute best would have him be no different than Salter and it's the same for Siegfried, Sigurd, Arjuna, etc.(Karna's Brahmastra Kundula is literally just him using his Mana Burst to it's absolute peak and putting it all into his spear throw) but it's just not feasible unless they are connected to a Holy Grail. This, however, does not stop the fact that Saber DOES do some absolutely insane physical feats(including knocking Heracles around like a ragdoll) with good use of her Mana Burst. It's just that when you see Salter going on that domination spree, it's easy to forget that is an absolutely insane waste of Magical Energy that she might as well just use Excalibur at that point.
 
It is but again, there's no point in playing that game because the issue is that unless you do shit like SB does, there is no logic that gives Luffy any chance of defeating Gilgamesh at this point.
Gilgamesh can react faster, hit FAR harder than Luffy ever could, can endure shit harder than Luffy could and isn't on a timer when it comes to his strongest form(and even then, Luffy's Toon stuff is overrated as he still got legit burned by Kizaru's Light Beams and can get slashed up and Noble Phantasms are built to say fuck off to the typical laws so Luffy's ghetto Toon Physics isn't saving his ass either).




Well yeah but Type-Rey and I was stating that she does use Mana Burst constantly in F/SN as that is what her armor is:
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Those metal pieces are Magical Energy emitted from her, not actual metal or clothing(This is why it's funny when people act like Pyrrha can "manipulate it" when it's known in F/Z and F/SN that's not metal). The problem is that people see how Salter uses Mana Burst and don't realize that's NOT how most Servants even use their equivalents because that's absolute overkill and an enormous waste of magical energy.
It's why Karna's absolute best would have him be no different than Salter and it's the same for Siegfried, Sigurd, Arjuna, etc.(Karna's Brahmastra Kundula is literally just him using his Mana Burst to it's absolute peak and putting it all into his spear throw) but it's just not feasible unless they are connected to a Holy Grail. This, however, does not stop the fact that Saber DOES do some absolutely insane physical feats(including knocking Heracles around like a ragdoll) with good use of her Mana Burst. It's just that when you see Salter going on that domination spree, it's easy to forget that is an absolutely insane waste of Magical Energy that she might as well just use Excalibur at that point.
Her armour should be separated from the skill itself. Mana burst is as the name implies, it's a skill that use burst of magical to strengthen herself. Don't think we'll agree with this one. But wait, do you agree that he said she'll snap like twig vs other Servants if she don't have Dragon Core mana burst? :ultra
 
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