Are being deliberately obtuse? Unless a sword is fucking magic or the wielder has immense strength, then of course a planet blowing up has more force. I actually even said it in a previous postTo be clear, you're simultaneously arguing both that Trunks is strong enough to destroy a planet with his fists but also that he can't swing a sword with planet-destroying force?
I'm talking about cutting vs blunt force. Not whatever goofy ass metaphor you're bringing up. An almost dead person survived a planetary explosion. No normal sword should effect him unless the user had immense strength.
He did break a barrier that was containing the windstorm damaging the cityI'm not saying Trunks is like, as weak as a random dude with a sword or whatever. For all I know he could split a mountain in half with the sword.
Yeah, and Trunks has immense strength. That doesn't change the fact that it's a tool and because it has a smaller profile it's going to multiply his pressure. He doesn't need to hit "hard enough to destroy a planet", he just needs to hit hard enough the edge of the blade has equivalent-or-greater pressure. I like, don't think you're stupid. I think if this argument was instead "Why can Wolverine cut the Hulk when Wolverine isn't nearly as strong as the Hulk" you would immediately recognize the issue here.Unless a sword is fucking magic or the wielder has immense strength,
You talk about good faith, while you ignore and refuse to address my arguments? LolYeah, and Trunks has immense strength. That doesn't change the fact that it's a tool and because it has a smaller profile it's going to multiply his pressure. He doesn't need to hit "hard enough to destroy a planet", he just needs to hit hard enough the edge of the blade has equivalent-or-greater pressure. I like, don't think you're stupid. I think if this argument was instead "Why can Wolverine cut the Hulk when Wolverine isn't nearly as strong as the Hulk" you would immediately recognize the issue here.
Anyways, I also don't think Chaos' calcs are very good. I don't really care about discussing them, though, for much the same reason I don't really care about discussing the Attack Pods. That being:
- This is where the argument started from. I also think this is the point that you are most obviously overlooking key issues with, so if you aren't really willing to address those here I don't see why adding more elements to the mix would be more productive
- Even within the blog itself Chaos measures Zarbon as flattening Vegeta with two-digit kilotons?
- You seem to be fairly frustrated as-is and, given how often you're bringing up that you think I'm coming across as pretentious or smarter-than-thou, I also genuinely get the impression that this is less a good faith argument and more so a kind of insecure projection
Yeah, and Trunks has immense strength. That doesn't change the fact that it's a tool and because it has a smaller profile it's going to multiply his pressure. He doesn't need to hit "hard enough to destroy a planet", he just needs to hit hard enough the edge of the blade has equivalent-or-greater pressure.
I think if this argument was instead "Why can Wolverine cut the Hulk when Wolverine isn't nearly as strong as the Hulk" you would immediately recognize the issue here.
He doesn't need to, but even a fraction of that force, would be necessary. The edge, and the size makes a difference, but not nearly as much of one as you're trying to claim. The edge makes it easier. It doesn't mean Frieza isn't super-humanly durable.Yeah, and Trunks has immense strength. That doesn't change the fact that it's a tool and because it has a smaller profile it's going to multiply his pressure. He doesn't need to hit "hard enough to destroy a planet", he just needs to hit hard enough the edge of the blade has equivalent-or-greater pressure. I like, don't think you're stupid. I think if this argument was instead "Why can Wolverine cut the Hulk when Wolverine isn't nearly as strong as the Hulk" you would immediately recognize the issue here.
Anyways, I also don't think Chaos' calcs are very good. I don't really care about discussing them, though, for much the same reason I don't really care about discussing the Attack Pods. That being:
- This is where the argument started from. I also think this is the point that you are most obviously overlooking key issues with, so if you aren't really willing to address those here I don't see why adding more elements to the mix would be more productive
- Even within the blog itself Chaos measures Zarbon as flattening Vegeta with two-digit kilotons?
- You seem to be fairly frustrated as-is and, given how often you're bringing up that you think I'm coming across as pretentious or smarter-than-thou, I also genuinely get the impression that this is less a good faith argument and more so a kind of insecure projection
I know this post is a bit earlier on, but having just come across it while scrolling through this thread, in my experience, and especially in the last few years in particular, alot of people who "read" toaru, really have no fucking idea what they're talking about most of the time, and are most likely misinterpreting/lying about even the most mundane things they mention offhand. Common misinterps and lies are ones like Multiversal Magic Gods (Lol) or relativistic-lightspeed mid tiers like Kanzaki for blocking magical light beam. Or lightspeed lightning garbage tier characters like misaka clones despite knowing damn well this is retconned to regular lightning speed and a hilarious outlier. Or that British fodder knights are lightning speed.
Make them source everything. single. claim that Toaru supporters make with text from the novels, Because chances are, they are misreading it, intentionally or otherwise. Also make sure its the correct translation from JS06. Any other translation is worthless to cite as the official one is riddled with inaccuracies.
As for the actual Match itself, Carissa herself is above mountain level to some degree using Curtana/Curtana Second and a lightning timer in speed. From what i'm looking at the comments having read some respect threads for Jagganoth, I don't think Carissa herself is useful here at all. Whether worm makes a difference or not I dunno. not likely imo.