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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

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To say Luke got nerfed isn’t giving enough justice to how thoroughly Disney cut his balls off

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Still not as pathetic as Mark Hamill though

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Like I said casual fan, my exposure to the eu ended with knights of the old republic 2, Im not really interested in trying to understand whatever crazy bullshit happened outside the movies/games I played (I think I read one eu zombie book? I have distinct memory of undead storm troopers for some reason, I thought it might be me misremembering the rakghuls but Im pretty sure it was something else), its just always going to throw me when people talk about planet destroying ftl jedi cause I never went any deeper. I don't doubt it or anything its just always going to be incredibly weird to me.
 
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Randomdude said:
Like I said casual fan, my exposure to the eu ended with knights of the old republic 2, Im not really interested in trying to understand whatever crazy bullshit happened outside the movies/games I played (I think I read one eu zombie book? I have distinct memory of undead storm troopers for some reason, I thought it might be me misremembering the rakghuls but Im pretty sure it was something else), its just always going to throw me when people talk about planet destroying ftl jedi cause I never went any deeper. I don't doubt it or anything its just always going to be incredibly weird to me.
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Even KoToR had the Star Forge basically be fully powered by the Dark Side of The Force and basically be an infinite perpetual motion weapons factory that could overwhelm the Galaxy with a strong enough Dark Side User alone...
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This alone basically puts even KoToR Jedi and Sith in a whole ass new light, let alone with Bastilla's Battle Meditation which can influence whole fleets with no issue and can do so WHILE SHE'S FIGHTING AT THE SAME TIME.
 
Randomdude said:

SOMEHOW THIS IS STILL GOING

Edit: The thread creator is retarded and has spent over four pages arguing that the cute horror game waifu survives anyone on this gauntlet despite her best feat...being...Stronger then an average human? and going into really stupid hypotheticals about her...Pulling out an iron man suit? Manipulating the game to win? Honestly I really struggle to read his post.
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So... basically, he's right at home in Spacebattles?

Win condition: The character is NOT expected or required to fight the servants or masters fighting in the grail wars (though if they can manipulate the scenario/use them to do so that's fine) they're just required to save Sakura, purify/remove Zouken from her and then get her somewhere safe so nobody finds her to use her as some tool to further there magecraft/use her for any purpose.
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Round 1:

4th Holy Grail War, so saving 6 year old Sakura.

Round 2:

4th Holy Grail War, so saving 6 year old Sakura. They are given knowledge beyond the basics of the setting and knowing about the exact details of her situation. Including the worm in her heart.

Round 3:

5th Holy Grail War, so saving 16 year Sakura.

Round 4:

5th Holy Grail War, so saving 16 year Sakura. They are given knowledge beyond the basics of the setting and knowing about the exact details of her situation. Including the worm in her heart.
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Oh boy, can't wait to see how many people basically completely botch this bullshit up...

Kamijo Touma
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...That dude is not saving Sakura, get this shit out of here lmfao.

I'm pretty sure the "Purify/remove Zouken" just means getting rid of the heart worm. They don't need to throw hands with him at all.

At most they just need to be able to create a safespace for Sakura afterwards, which is fairly hard to quantify and I'd personally ere on "its probably not thaaaaaat hard." People fuck off to do their own thing in the mountains all the time in the nasuverse. and there isn't any issue in the HF good endings with Sakura walking around unfucked and with a servant. {Or at the least if there is I don't recall it ever being mentioned.}

Honestly given out handsoff Zouken gets in Fate/UBW. Chances are he's too lazy to reclaim Sakura if someone walks in, yoinks her, cures her, then gives her a few thousand bucks to live somewhere not Fuyuki.
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She wasn't a mini grail until after the 4th concludes and Zouken wasn't interested in actually teaching her. Since she explicitly doesn't know Matou magecraft and has to rely on imaginary element instead.

Even if the OP clarifies that yes Zouken is an active obstacle. I don't think any of the candidates suggested actually fail. Even the hardcore lifebot cleric can use sanctuary abuse since the guy whose forgotten his ideals and has a rotting soul probably has a low wisdom score. Amy can kill any bugs that attack her on contact or just create her own minions out of the local population, and Touma can probably? kill everyone suggested while still doing the task at hand. {I haven't watched his series but from my understanding Imagine Breaker is ludicrously broken and Touma himself has janky charles atlas superpowers to go with it.)
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Okay, I have to laugh here... Zouken ALWAYS planned on having Sakura be the catalyst to hijacking the Greater Grail the entire time. The only reason why that plan only works in Heaven's Feel was due to Sakura's insane willpower to basically not mentally break after all the shit she went through and it's only in Heaven's Feel in which Shirou falls in love with her does that even begin to falter and Zouken immediately exploits it.
Again has this man even tried to do even a basic bitch reading of F/SN?
 
Why not? Touma was one of the first to come to mind

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^ Replace Level 6 Shift Virus with Angra Mainyu
 
Randomdude said:

SOMEHOW THIS IS STILL GOING

Edit: The thread creator is retarded and has spent over four pages arguing that the cute horror game waifu survives anyone on this gauntlet despite her best feat...being...Stronger then an average human? and going into really stupid hypotheticals about her...Pulling out an iron man suit? Manipulating the game to win? Honestly I really struggle to read his post.
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oh this dude is the same nigga that was using yog from that gun girl z shit where she had no feats at all
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Astaro said:
Why not? Touma was one of the first to come to mind

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^ Replace Level 6 Shift Virus with Angra Mainyu
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Angra Mainyu isn't even connected to Sakura yet in either of the rounds...
Also, trying to take away Angra Mainyu basically takes away the Greater Grail's receptacle... and where you think all of that absolutely massive amount of Magical Energy is gonna go?
And Fuyuki is sitting on Leylines at that...
You basically asking for all of Japan at bare minimum to literally go the route of Guilty Gear and just be a huge ass hole in the ocean.
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Xhominid The Apex said:
Angra Mainyu isn't even connected to Sakura yet in either of the rounds...
Also, trying to take away Angra Mainyu basically takes away the Greater Grail's receptacle... and where you think all of that absolutely massive amount of Magical Energy is gonna go?
And Fuyuki is sitting on Leylines at that...
You basically asking for all of Japan at bare minimum to literally go the route of Guilty Gear and just be a huge ass hole in the ocean.
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Literally got Dragons that eat Black Holes as well as stopping exactly that when they stopped Level 6 Misaka from self-destructing in the above image.

And even regular Imagine Breaker acting as a sort of constant suppressor against great enough powers long after Touma ever made contact with them.

Fiamma only ever regained his full power with the Holy Right after Imagine Breaker was momentarily destroyed by Othinus for example

“No, I already told you I can’t. If I could, I would have killed you long ago,” said the young man before smiling and continuing. “But that doesn’t mean I don’t have an idea as to how to push you back just a bit. It’s all thanks to how you so carelessly crushed Kamijou Touma’s right hand.”

“You don’t mean…?”

“World War III was started by a man who held the power to save the world. He had the power to save the world, but could not save the world without a right hand to output that power into the world. That was why he used various methods to obtain that special right hand. That’s right. You cut off the right hand that only one of can exist in the world.”

A great metallic noise came from above.

It was from one of the pillars used to support the chain-link fence surrounding the ring. A man wearing red had appeared atop it at some point. His right arm had been severed at the shoulder. Growing from there was an unnatural distortion of space that looked as if sugar water had been mixed in.

“Fiamma of the Right with his power to save the world. And me, a man who can wield the power of a Magic God even if it is impure. …Now then. What will you do in response to these changing possibilities? Fifty percent, Othinus. I believe you have even odds of just forcing your way through this.”
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I mean if all he has to do is purify Sakura and get her somewhere safe, he can definitely do that

consequences be damned
 
He wasn’t going to destroy the world over her though

In fact, Touma even said he was fine for any punishment to be done to her only after she was judged fairly, even if it meant the both of them being locked up for life
 
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