Except for the fact that any Noble Phantasm is a conceptual ability, there is the fact that if we concentrate the solar winds we get not a star, but something much smaller. Because of what it already becomes doubtful. In addition, in the case of Kama, Buddha and Kiara, it is also quite clearly stated about the universe.
No? A number of Noble Phantasms are direct physical attacks or otherwise create physical phenomenon.
Also Solar Wind is literally just part of a star that escaped its gravity field so yes, concentrate enough of the stuff that makes up a star and you'll get an actual star
All three of the ones you mentioned are conceptual universes and are referred to as such.
Who am I commenting to?
There people discussed it seriously.
I don't care, Galatine has never been given scaling based off "it has part of a Pseudo-Star in it". It scales based off being a peer to weapons like Excalibur.
Physical Galaxies that exist inside trees and are actually fed from the planet?
"Fed from the planet"?
The trees have pocket dimensions that they hold physical galaxies inside of and use as batteries. Da Vinci nearly has a stroke explaining that yes, its the actual heavenly body. Also I refuse to believe you're unfamiliar with the idea of something being "bigger on the inside".
Again, if according to your belief they exist there, then what is the problem of the existence of the Universe inside Kama and Kiara?
Because those ones are explicitly stated to be conceptual in nature, which is how Kama gets beaten. Again, angry Asian babysitter tells Kama to gtfo her house and creates a floor for the universe.
And yes, if scaling doesn't work, then Astarte is officially the strongest creature in Fate
Correct
Chaldeas was literally created by the hands of the Animusphere and Lainur. It may be an alien world, but there is a hard fact that it was created.
And? It's still the Alien World, normal standards clearly do not apply to it.
Pure double standards. When one conceptual is equal to the real, and the second is "no".Pure double standards. When one conceptual is equal to the real, and the second is "no".
Stop repeating yourself. And there is no double standards, you're just confused on what is and isn't conceptual. The Trees aren't, Kama and Kiara's universes are. Simple as.
Fate/EXTRA Last Encore is a different world, not a sequel to Fate/Extra. Since Twice was defeated back in Fate/Extra.
It's a different timeline than the three routes in the game but it's still the same setting.
Moreover, the chakravaratin specifically began to destroy humanity only when Hakuno reached the last floor, before that, the chakravaratin was simply used to control the Grail War.
Again, Last Encore takes place a gazillion years after the events of its version of Fate Extra.
Not considering the fact that there are regular Servants in the Servantverse? Not considering the fact that according to Lore, the team of seven ordinary Servants were originally the ones who defeated Astarte and ripped out her heart?
Those aren't "regular" Servants, they're the "space" versions of them
Yes, this is directly related to scaling and the fact that Fate has Ecumenical Deeds.
If Space Ishtar has a Universal feat, then nothing prevents us from asking the question "Why then are Kama, Kiara, Buddha, Goetia and others not considered?"
What prevents us is that the Servantverse is deliberately way beyond the rest of the Nasuverse and doesn't involve the caveats the others have.
Not taking into account the fact that gods that have a similar statement, Beasts that have similar statements and others are scaled to it in this case.
None of them scale to it because everyone else has some kind of caveat or context attached while the Servantverse is just "lmao I threw a galaxy at your head"
There was only Gilgamesh and Angra Manyu, there was Arcueid, there was Strange Fake with the same Gilgamesh and Enkidu, there were Lord El Meloy's affairs with Atlas, there were Fate / Extra, Fate / Extra CCC, Fate / Extella, there was Fate / Apocrypha with Karna , was Mahoutsukai, was Fate/kaleid, Fate/Proto. In short, the Planetary level was provided before. Fgo just brought it to the stream.
Gilgamesh wasn't planet level pre-FGO, Angry Mango still isn't planet level unless you mean it's mud potentially spreading across the planet, Atlas is its own thing I'm not super familiar with, the Extra-verse was cordoned off for being inside a computer for a while iirc, Apocrypha Karna wasn't planet level, Kaleid wasn't planet level till Darius did the Big Stupid, Proto plays by different rules, what in Mahotsukai was planet level?
And like half the stuff that qualifies now only did so after FGO already reached the point of "oh yeah there are people who could just unga bunga the planet if not for its safeguards"
