...Okay, you know what? I can take the stupid answers that basically want me to go and re-evaluate my life, I can take this ridiculous condescension that makes me think if I'm back in Spacebattles again... I can even take that stupid crap that you shovel down that we have consistently thrown out the trash with the stupid shit about Saver, Kiara, Kama that we talked about again and again and again...
But don't you dare start trying to pretend that this thread is now your penitentiary for any reason. The fact I'm even giving away my time to even answer your stupid ass posts should be something to be applauded because after this, I'm out.
Am I holding you or what?
So you are really playing forgetful at this point? Okay then, whatever, works better for me to get this stupid shit done with.
No, because I really can't find our dispute.
Why don't you considering you are so damn certain you was including the Moon Cell with it? Because I fully remember you didn't. It's genuinely amazing how you are trying so hard to sound reasonable when at the same time, you are the one pushing for Universal+ Moon Cell amongst other things.
Because she helped in the creation of the literal universe, because she literally has at least three infinite spaces within her or the fact that it is the Moon Cell that helps Amita destroy humanity.
...So, you are just going to forget that Andersen's NP is makes the person what they truly are supposed to be huh? You are going to just ignore the fact that Kiara, even in CCC, is supposed to be someone on the level of Bodhisattva huh? Like the Buddha... right? Just ignore that to act like you got a gotcha by doing the exact same thing I keep knowing for a fact you will use like you keep on doing again and again.
That is, in your opinion, Kiara was helped mainly by Anderson's Noble Phantasm.
Well, yes, in Fgo, in Fate / Extra, Kiara achieved all her strength before absorbing Moon Cell ... Right?
No, of course I acknowledge his help, but the fact is that in the first case, that in the second case, Kira received her power only after absorbing Moon Cell.
And this still speaks of a violation of the logical chain.
Divine Spirit>Moon Cell
Kiara Consuming the Moon Cell =/> Beast 3
Beast> Divine Spirit
...So you are also forgetting that Gilgamesh can leave said prison whenever he wants and can even summon himself when the Moon Cell explicitly denies him?
There was no other circumstances, Gilgamesh explicitly states he tore through the Boundary to meet Altera and Jeanne explicitly states that he summoned himself against the Moon Cell's wishes.
And? Gilgamesh may come. What's next? Does this prove something? Gil has shown this trick several times, including in Babylonia.
Again, Gilgamesh does not summon himself "against" Moon Cell. The Moon Cell is the one that summoned him. She simply did not delete Gilgamesh, sending him in fact to the wastebasket.
And that's not even considering the fact that it's possible Gil from Fate/Extra just came to watch Hakuno.
And you still don't understand the logic. If you claim that Gil is stronger than the Moon Cell, then how did she send him to the far side? Even more than that, Gilgamesh effectively weakened in Fate/Extra.
You see, the weak can escape from the prison that the stronger built. But the weak cannot send this strongest one to his own trash (the far side is not even a prison, it's just a trash can), and at the same time this stronger one is weakening. And this is not taking into account the character of Gil. Gil is an egotist of the highest order who must immediately destroy any fool who dares to throw him in the trash. But Gil didn't.
This does not take into account the simple fact that in Fate / Extra BB literally completely froze Gil with one of her orders. Thanks to the Power she received after contacting the Moon Cell.
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Yeah, it's clearly obvious you are a massive hypocrite because here's this surprising thing you can get when you go through Altera's story:
The story literally states that with Excalibur destroying her Body down on Earth, the feedback of it's death was enough to knock out Titan Altera for a few minutes, so that the Moon Cell then sealed her away after that in the Zero Dark.
It wasn't a "cost saving measure" nor "did it defeat Altera" because it couldn't and lacked the means to do it at all without Excalibur. That's the entire reason why even in the materials for Extella, Artoria is literally summoned there to defeat her as an absolute last resort.
I understand that you are not aware of the history of Fate / Ex at all. But you could just go to the wiki.
She is Velber 02, also known as the
White Titan (白い巨人,
Shiroi Kyojin?), or the Ark of the Stars, one of the ships that surround the main Velber "Harvester Star." The ship entered the solar system with her "older brother" and "younger sister" fourteen thousand years ago, Velber 01 and Velber 03, and she eventually landed on the
Moon. She invaded the
Moon Cell and Earth simultaneously, becoming known as Sefar.
Star of Tears, Sword of the War God
Rank A++ Anti Army/Fortress, Range 1-99, Max Target 900 Persons
- Teardrop Photon Ray, the true power of the Sword of the War God
- the light sword is actually just a pointer to mark the target for attack
- release the True Name and the true Sword of the War God (a giant pillar of light) comes from high in the sky to annihilate the location marked
- basically a kill sat laser
Altera (Moon)
- the mysterious Saber that appeared from the "predawn region"
- main heroine of Extella, the 3rd servant you have
Altera (Earth)
- the backup brain of the Attilaight Cell that destroyed the surface
- discovered sleeping in the remains of the giant by the Huns and raised by them
- she became Attila the Hun after that (ie. this is Grand Order Altera)
Attilaight Cell
- the Anti Cell that fell to the Moon after being purged by the Velber
- the "Titan" Anti Cell that absorbs mana from the civilization she destroys and uses it to grow bigger, designed to destroy itself once the task is done
- a whole lot of personality stuff, I won't go into that right now
- she invaded SERAPH as an Anti Cell, and also sent her own data to Earth to create a material body (avatar), invading both at the same time
- did huge damage to both, but was beaten by the Moon Cell on the Moon and by the wielder of the holy sword on Earth
- on Earth she became a corpse, but on the Moon she was sealed since Moon Cell had no way to wipe her out
- Altera (Moon) stayed in the Star of Tears (her ship?) which became the separated "predawn region"
- 14000 years past and Altera wakes up as the Velber approach the galaxy again
Velber
- Harvester Star
- a comet shaped like a teary eye that appears in the Milky Way every 14000 years
- a different type of observation device left behind by the alien civilization that created the Moon Cell
- every passing, it destroys intelligent life
- last time it passed over Earth, it wiped out 80% of the Moon Cell's data
- has a core planetoid and several ships surrounding it like armor
- the ships are various invasion weapons
- Altera, the White Titan was one of 3 ships that fell to the Solar System 14000 years ago
- she has a "older brother" and "younger sister" but they're not in this story
Anti Cell
- vanguard sent by the Velber
- organic lifeform designed by the Void Cell to destroy civilization efficiently, like how high-level information lifeform (Servants) are designed based on Earth cultures by the Moon Cell
- every Anti Cell has a different approach, but all grow by absorbing spiritron from intelligent beings and have no sustenance once all are destroyed
- harvestors that work purely for the Velber's directive
There were two Titans. One on Earth and one on the Moon.
In principle, I could end our dispute about Fate/Extella with this, given how familiar you are with the material.
Yes, because that is it's full power in the offensive context but let's go on with your stupid points:
1. What does "3 Infinite Dimensions" matter at all when we seen a Multi-Dimensional Barrier get destroyed by an Anti-Sun NP from something as powerful as the Moon Cell itself?
This means that in addition to the eight-dimensional wall, the Lunar Cell also has just three infinite dimensions, which it also created. This is a feat.
Firstly, first, for the arguments you have named, you need to ignore the fact that Venus had previously destroyed the first nucleus and notably prodomazhili the second.
Secondly, how is a multi-dimensional barrier something weak when we literally know that the four-dimensional is already infinite?
Thirdly, Anti-Star is only a classification, and it does not display power absolutely (not even considering the fact that Archimedes literally designated it as "a collection of energy from a higher dimension")
Fourth, this barrier was maintained by Archimedes based on the data received from the Moon Cell.
2. Summoning over a Hundred Servants, yet it can't do anything to defend itself outside of summoning the right Heroic Spirits to defend it...
Maybe because the Moon Cell is primarily a surveillance device, not a weapon? And so far, the tactic is working.
3. Creating a "Galaxy Wide Jammer" isn't as impressive as you think when they have primeval access to their source attacking them beforehand.
This still means that the Moon Cell is protecting our solar system from the Shadow Star. Moreover, the jammer, as Archimedes noted, is working.
4. Kiara absorbed it... and it wasn't enough for her goal!
In the first case, her formation was forcibly completed by a Noble Phantasm and she ended up losing due to the AI created by the Moon Cell inside her rebelling out of love for Hakuno. And the exact effect of the Noble Phantasm is not described, just the fact that it helped her after devouring the core of the Moon Cell.
In the second case, this was still enough to become a Beast, but not enough to ripen ... and as a result, she reached for the Earth's core. Do I need to say that comparing her with Divine Spirits after that would be useless? Moreover, it is worth noting that Kiara, after absorbing the Lunar Cell, began to pose a threat in all seriousness.
I'm literally talking to an idiot... I swear to god.
I literally just told you exactly what happened in that scene and here you are moving the fucking goalposts again like a curmudgeon. The Regalia operates the Moon Cell's systems, It struggled to bring in a Divine Spirit from Venus into Nero, this is non-negotiable.
They literally say that with the help of the Regalia they create a bridge to a higher plane. Next comes Hakuno's explanation of how it is unknown how to connect to the gods. And already further there is a call of Venus during which Hakuno is straining.
What does BB "Being a representative of the Moon Cell" is supposed to fucking mean precisely?! Did you forget that BB's spell in Summer 3 made her as strong as she was in the Moon Cell? And Rhongomyniad still beat her ass again? Did you forget that Meltryllis and Passionlip are as strong as they are in the Moon Cell as Servants? And they aren't beyond any other Servants there either.
You are misappropriating how their ID_Es/Authorities work vs. their actual power.
I already answered this.
First, the fact that she didn't get her ass kicked. They broke her connection with Nyarlothotep with the help of a special "against foreigners" property.
Second, go upstairs to look at the description of this spear.
Secret-Myniad: Unsigned Nebula Sword (無銘星雲剣ひみつみにあど,
Mumei Seiun-kenHimitsu-miniado?) is the Noble Phantasm of
Mysterious Heroine XX.
A galactic nebula cutter by using Rhongomyniad LR,
which is said to be the heavenly scales of the Universe. The beam of light produced by swinging the spear is a spiral like a nebula, and mows down all the surroundings. It doesn’t distinguish allies from enemies.
Look at the description of her skill and...
Just understand that using the argument "but she got her ass kicked by the 'universal' spear" to make the Moon Cell look weak doesn't work.
On the contrary, it only helps to scale it.
Yes, you numpty, it's talking about what would happen if Archimedes plan succeeded...
I can't believe I have to explain something so fucking basic to you.
But you know what? I'm fucking out of here, go play with your dick elsewhere or go to VSB. Wasted so much of my time on such bullshit.
My argument is that A - the full power of the Regalia is being used and not Moon Cell B - that at this moment the systems of the Moon Cell are, as it were, in crisis.
You are so focused on your argument "The Moon Cell is weaker than the Divine Spirit, since Venus" that you ignore both circumstances, other feats, and generally Tamamo's phrase after the victory "she was able to do what the Gods could not".
Move on to another argument. This one doesn't work.
