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Aurelian said:
I really would prefer you dissect it instead of giving your equivalent to a one liner and in effect just saying "this looks too good to be from Aurelian, he was being coached by his scum buddies and by that I mean probably Craig".

Oh well it is what it is.
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I mean I just did - I have legitimately never seen you make a counter argument like that and we’ve been playing 5 months, what am I supposed to do or say?
 
I don't dictate long posts to my scum team lol I give them a few lines maybe if I can think of a good reply to something

Anyway I'm not heavily defending a scummate d1 like this, I was fine lynching aurelian until he went off the defensive and started solving. Never seen this from him as scum and don't really see it as in his wheelhouse
 
Grammaton said:
Not really cause you can peel them back over time if you need to, or kill the good players you gave them to and overwhelm the weaker ones
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I mean sure. Idk why are you acting like my play is brand new or something.
CraigPelton said:
@Magic what are your thoughts on the "if Aurelian is scum CP must be too!" line of thinking?
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I don't think it's that simple. Psychic could be scum and you still town. You're not stupid with your interactions. I do think it makes you look worse as does look like you were trying to find an alternative wagon but you did the same thing in mhw with tpein when lethal was the main wagon

And there was like 30 hours left I don't think moving your vote and exploring other things is scummy on its own.
 
Lethal said:
Well no, because historically I am poor at reading him, so it's better for me to view him as town atm rather than fixate on his possibly being wolf. Better players can attempt the solve.
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Grammaton said:
This doesn’t make sense

Why not view him as null, if that’s what he is to you?
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Lethal said:
CP provides enough content to not be null though, at least for me.
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Grammaton said:
I don’t follow?
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Lethal said:
CP has plenty of posts and thread status to have a read on him of some form. I prefer it to be on the town side. Done it for quite a while too. Similar vein to Doddsy.
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Grammaton said:
This is ass backwards?

Why do you prefer it to be a town read?

Why not look at the stuff you like and the stuff you don’t and weigh it up?

I’m confused
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Lethal said:
Well when you put it that way I guess I should've said I liked the stuff he'd been posting. DId like how he pushed for EVans to get off the Pein tunnel and explore other slots. Basically I just wanted to put him in a column cos of his profile, didn't really have an explanation ready at that time.
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come on now lol
 
Aurelian said:
Time for Evans:








Pretty early on is acting and behaving in a way that is typical of Evans: hostile, targeting T-Pein, wanting him lynched, and sort of acting petulant.

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v These posts highlight Evans getting annoyed, acting out, and generally not liking Grammaton, Magic, and Craig reaction to them. He gives a oneliner response to Craig saying it doesn't help the game or do much besides make it toxic and in a follow up post that Evans replies to Craig he just says it helps "drive attention", Grammaton echoes this sentiment. He also follows up about shading and undercutting Magic calling the tactic weak and not active enough and even calls him as misrepresenting Evans for doing it.

He clarifies to Grammaton that he felt like Magic was testing him.
Paralleling this when I asked a question to Evans in the last game in a similar way, Evans reacted with extreme hostility and accused me of putting a smoking gun to his head about reads with iirc BPD and someone else.

Evans comes off defensive to Magic's comment and is essentially accusing him of being lazy repeating the same pathos as the start of the last game.

Grammaton prompting Evans for activity again and input:

- repeats his same stance and posturing regarding his desire to have T-Pein lynched
- gives a one-liner about my slot but otherwise nothing else
- circles back on Craig; tying himself to Grammaton regarding the arguing between me, him, and BPD. It strikes me as very disingenuous that he is trying to tie and shade Craig as being shady for his reservations and on how Evans was trying to handle the rest of the game by tunneling about T-Pein
- this post from Evans is #722 in the thread and at page 25 for me; despite this he doesn't give reads or input on BPD, Tweet, Magic, or much anyone else

Finally a post that isn't involving Craig or T-Pein, ah its a nothingburger for Lethal. Almost like he's fence-sitting with this specific post.

This doesn't read well. Evans is saying he sort of likes Lethal's catch up but doesn't like/suspicious in a more benign way about Lethal's direct interactions with him or lack thereof.

Not sure why Evans is town reading RAEM but I guess its based around also wanting to mutually have T-Pein gone and ties it to himself aligning with Raem. The post before that Raem says he town reads Evans though.

Strikes me very fucking weird.

Evans again backtracks to the easy town read on Grammaton; seems like busywork with the quick player reads. Again seems like he's building up to either distance or close ties with Magic's play but he ends it with a question so not sure how to translate this fully.

Why? Why does he say Melkor looks good? Melkors key contributions in the game have been to say he didn't like the wagon on me and that he town read me, Ekko was saying he viewed Melkor as scummy and he wasn't getting the town vibes on him either.

What prompted this town read?

Okay

Repeats this, not really solving players, questioning motives, or do anything else, just mindlessly death tunneling T-Pein again.

Evans lying about his 'parity' as he claimed later with aligning on most reads or behavior in the game with Craig. He gets unduly defensive and twitchy again about Craig calling this out when Evans has done precious little else constructive in the game for solving anyone or anything.

Just like with Raem giving a town read on Evans for wanting to lynch T-Pein.
Ekko gives a town read on Evans since he has T-Pein as one of his suspects as scum and Evans again quickly bounces a town read back to him on the heels of that.
This is two times in a row this has happened.

Evans response to Ekko giving his updated reads list which involved pushing T-Pein from null/leaning scum to null/leaning town.
Seems a bit baffled by this.

Shades and insults T-Pein, nothing actually game motivated coming on the back end of this.

Seems defensive about Craig pushing Evans into his own read list as leaning potentially scummy. Not sure why he's shocked about this when Evans has done nothing else except follow Grammaton and Magic as town and a lesser extent Craig but the vast majority of his posts are just talking about wanting to lynch T-Pein or complain about being called out for it as being 'unfair' or shading him.

Evans keeps bringing it back to being about T-Pein to Craig.

This is after another post or two of his on why Craig has Evans as potentially scummy while looking back Evans has offered next to no reads or input around BPD's slot at all.

Evans post to Craig and Psychic. This is following him quoting several of Craig's posts and trying to shade/snipe at him for pressuring Psychic. As far as I'm aware, Evans has also zero interactions directly or indirectly with her prior to this point in the game's activity or timeline.

^Further evidence of the above I've stated about Evan's motives.

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^This one is to Magic. He's questioning Magic and it feels like he's setting him up for putting the smoking gun to his head here too.

This is Evans response to Tweet questioning him about his Raem town read and still pressing about T-Pein with Bird Boi pointing out Raem's list was essentially a definitive OMGUS in action.

Weird vote shift here.

^This is to Psychic.


Evans replies back to Craig, doesn't really articulate the shift in pushing him now. I guess this is double-backing from Evans getting frustrated or annoyed about Craig's earlier interactions with him on Psychic and gaslighting him earlier to tie his actions in pressuring Psychic. It also feels weird he wants to tie T-Pein into this as the justification for voting Craig.

Evans replying to Tweet. He's still defending his town read, I believe, on Raem here. He compares it to himself and it makes it seem like he wants to me at least, that he wants to tie familiarity for further allowance to justify any later presses involving Raem against someone like T-Pein or Craig or Psychic. He also relates this to the start of the game and tunneling T-Pein but I think this makes Evans look worse, not T-Pein.

Shades Craig again.

^More of that.

Then references it further and to his later change in vote on me.

So my mind is pretty scattered brained so I'm going to say here now:

- the meat of Evans interactions and activity are about T-Pein or with Magic, Tweet and Craig
- he has a little bit of involving himself talking to Psychic, Grammaton and Ekko
- token input on Raem and Lethal to be honest which feels forced
- he has offered nothing about BPD or most other players in the game for that matter until now that we're nearing EoD

I don't feel Evans is town here. I can see him being aligned with BPD if the latter is scum. There is precious little of his input about most other players and we've had a 50 hour day 1. This really can't be ignored.
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I’ll reply with receipts but this a load of wrong in a can.

I’m not gaslighting CP about his lack of T-Pein push when going on about Psychic. It was literally everything I was talking about

:heston
 
Magic said:
I mean sure. Idk why are you acting like my play is brand new or something.

I don't think it's that simple. Psychic could be scum and you still town. You're not stupid with your interactions. I do think it makes you look worse as does look like you were trying to find an alternative wagon but you did the same thing in mhw with tpein when lethal was the main wagon

And there was like 30 hours left I don't think moving your vote and exploring other things is scummy on its own.
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Okay well they're really steaming ahead with the idea so if you aren't buying it you might wanna say something sooner than later before things get out of hand lol, what if you die tonight and they mislynch me tomorrow? Not worried about that?
 
Aurelian said:
Not sure why Evans is town reading RAEM but I guess its based around also wanting to mutually have T-Pein gone and ties it to himself aligning with Raem. The post before that Raem says he town reads Evans though.
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The post literally explains my read

you’re not even reading the posts lmao
 
Aurelian said:
Evans lying about his 'parity' as he claimed later with aligning on most reads or behavior in the game with Craig. He gets unduly defensive and twitchy again about Craig calling this out when Evans has done precious little else constructive in the game for solving anyone or anything.
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CP literally conceded this :heston
 
Evans said:
I’ll reply with receipts but this a load of wrong in a can.

I’m not gaslighting CP about his lack of T-Pein push when going on about Psychic. It was literally everything I was talking about

:heston
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I don't think so buddy
 
Aurelian said:
Evans again backtracks to the easy town read on Grammaton; seems like busywork with the quick player reads. Again seems like he's building up to either distance or close ties with Magic's play but he ends it with a question so not sure how to translate this fully.
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Is it easy?

I literally got him with it last game as scum and I’m certainly not averse to going at Odo, at all if I think he’s scum
 
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