God of War Discussion, Lore, Feats, & Analysis Thread

[Papa Nier]

The timeline of the series

- God of War: Ascension
- God of War: Chains of Olympus
- God of War 1
- God of War (comics)
- God of War: Ghost of Sparta
- God of War: Betrayal
- God of War 2
- God of War 3
- God of War 4 or God of War (2018)
- God of War Ragnarok

Calcs

God of War earth size.

thanks @BenTennyson there are many statement about GoW earth size according to god of war lore/backstory. and it should be noted if GoW earth is not like ours, the earth is flat. okay first , about the size of the atmosphere layer...

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God of War feat - Ares raises some mountains

GoW needs moar calcs :lbj So I figured I might as well try this out Final tally Moving mountain = 696.78 megatons | 1.24 gigaton | 2.79 gigatons All 4 combined = 2.79 gigatons | 4.95 gigatons | 11.15 gigatons Key: Low end | Mid...

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God of War scaling #1

Today's discussion made me want to do something GoW related, so I decided to try my hand at scaling the Titan Cronos and his Temple he carries on his back. God of War wiki says that Kratos is a giant man, between 6 feet and 6.5 feet, so I am...

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Atlas lifts the world (GOW)

Lets try to put a number on that shall we? first of all, what exactly is Atlas lifting in GoW-verse? Well we know the world is a planet like our own from Ascension, and we know the underworld is literally underground and atlas lifts the mortal...

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Poseidon's death floods the earth (God of War 3)

So I tried to calc this feat even though I suck at physics. The feat takes place in the begining of GOW3 when Kratos brutally kills Poseidon, go d of the seas. Poseidon drops off Olympus and lands in the sea, which results in the world being...

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[OtherGalaxy]

so multiversal kratos?

 

[Papa Nier]

so multiversal kratos?

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

So what is the consensus on God of War 4 with Yggdrasil, Thor vs Jormungdr and the Nine Realms?

 

[Rev97]

Depends on how far you take things like Yggdrasil holding all of creation or time and space within it

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Playing God of War Ragnarok now. As I play through I will post all I can, though obviously beware of spoilers, and please don't spoil stuff for me. If I am mistaken about something I will correct myself on it later.

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Freya screaming triggered a massive avalanche/landslide/explosion, and she was unable to pass through the ward made by Kratos and Atrius. Atrius with his god/giant powers awakening turns into a giant bear. Atrius later seemingly fixes the ward, but Odin and Thor get in anyway, Odin offers peace (though he's obviously up to something), and Thor and Kratos fight. Thor notes that Kratos is holding back for the fight, and only at the end does Kratos knock one of Thors teeth out, and Thor leaves, considering his vengence for killing his sons complete.

Fimbulwinter is messing with the Nine Realms, and manifests differently in each of the Realms (this is the reason some of the magics of Kratos and Atrius have been lost).

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Fimbulwinter affects all of the realms, and the gateway between worlds at Tyr's Temple no longer works.

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The first fight between Kratos and Thor create what looks like some kind of fissure in reality (or maybe a root of Yggdrasil).

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The full force of Thor's attacks are as heavy as any Kratos has ever felt, and Mjolnir only compounds his power.

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Skoll & Hati are said to have the power to chase night into day and day into night by chasing the Sun and the Moon around.

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Sindri and Brok have a home in the Realm Between Realms, safe from both Fimbulwinter and the eye(s) of Odin. It's built into Yggdrasil, and is surrounded by "shimmering grey voids."

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Odin has been tampering with the natural order in the Nine Realms.

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Fimbulwinter strikes in different ways in different realms; in Midgard it manifests as a freezing Winter, while in Svartalfheim it manifests in the form of geysers, gas & earthquakes.

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The Lyngbakr is an enormous creature that Mimir trapped back in the days when he still worked with Odin, but regretted this and wanted to set it free.

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Going by the in-game compass, the Lyngbakr is around 320m long (the quest marker is to it's eye, so actually a bit longer).

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[Papa Nier]

Eos statement of her brother Helios: "Helios holds within him the power of the sun, a power so great, it can destroy the world."

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The world of Greece was implied to be flat, like a disc.

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In this interview, the game devs confirm that the different worlds of Pantheons all exist on the same planet. Kratos got on a boat and went north to Midgard. This is either a retcon or the devs are just inconsistent.

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In God of War Ascension, the Hammer of Atlas states to have the weight of the world behind this hammer.

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Atlas says: "The war between the Titans and the Olympians forged the landscape of the mortal world".

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Eos states: "Without Helios, the life-giving light of the world cannot be sustained. If you do not find him, only darkness and death awaits all of us."

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God of War 1 describes the Underworld as "a scarlet chasm of immeasurable magnitude", and the interview with Cecil Kim, the Concept Artist of God of War III, seems to imply the Underworld is infinite.

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Uranus has stars coming out of his body while fighting against Ceto, apparently creating the universe.

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His son Cronos overthrew Uranus.

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The fight between Cronos and Uranus was like the combination of the Primordial War and the Titan War, which apparently would be cosmic in scale.

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In God of War Ascension, the Hyperion Spear appears to be forged in the Sun's core and bears the weight of the cosmos

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The Pandora's Box is stated to be the most powerful weapon on Earth or Olympus.

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Ariel Lawrence, the writer of God of War 2, stated that Cronos's birth led to the very birth of time.

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The Titan War lasted for hundreds of years.

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Titans consider time meaningless.

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Helios is stated to banish Nyx from the night sky.

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A dimension that Nyx inhabits an eternal night with a moon.

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Warriors of Zeus can temporarily move at the speed of light with a dash move.

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Kratos >>> Warriors of Zeus. The Warriors of Zeus's dash move is inspired by Zeus's dash move.

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Hermes can dodge Helios's solar flare and sun beams.

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Hercules reacts to Helio's solar flare and sun beams.

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[Stocking Anarchy]

Yggdrasil connects all of the Nine Realms together, and supports all of creation. It transcends time and space, and birth, death and rebirth are interwoven into the world from its life energy (from the 4th God of War).

The Tree of Life is bound to the fate of the world, just as we are bound to it. The tree nourishes our soils. The dew from its leaves feeds our valleys and rivers. The tree's very existence supports all of creation among its boughs, its life energy interwoven into the tapestry of life... birth, growth, death, and rebirth... every strand, transcending time, transcending space. Everything comes back to the tree.

 

[Papa Nier]

Thor’s first fight with the World Serpent could be felt across all the realms.

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Thor and the World Serpent clash shook the World Tree so much that it splinters.

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Yggdrasil is so large that it exists in all Nine Realms at once, the realms are merely constructs within its branches.

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The Realm Between Realms is the very center of the spiritual cosmos. This is the official artwork for Yggdrasil.

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Kratos opens the Mystic Gateway that leads directly into the Realm Between Realms. The narrator states that Yggdrasil’s branches stretch out infinitely.

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Interview with Cory Barlog regarding Kratos, Cory Barlog states the God of War mythology could be better summarized as being similar to the Hubble telescope image, except you’d have to wrap it up around the Earth.

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Matt Sophos, the head writer of the Norse game, states that all creation myths and their interpretations exist at the same time, in their own history separate from the linear chronology of real history.

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Cory Barlog states all the Pantheons when referring to the universe, are referring to their domain or what they have dominion over.

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God of War promotional page confirms that Kratos entering the Norse pantheon was him entering a new realm, this also implies that the Greek Pantheon was also considered a separate realm.

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Santa Monica clarifies that geographical regions and realms are not the same. When Freya or some other god states Kratos is not “from this realm” is not referring to Kratos being from another country but from another world.

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Mimir states if Odin could, he would control all the realms within every world and every land. Mimir is Puck or Robin Goodfellow most likely from Celtic Mythology.

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This triptych has four symbols circled in red in each corner to represent the specific Pantheons that exist in the God of War world, aside from the Norse Mythology. From top to bottom, we have the Eye of Horus, which symbolizes Egyptian Mythology, the Omega, which symbolizes Greek Mythology, the Yin-Yang balance, symbolizing Shinto Mythology, and the Triskelion, which symbolizes Celtic Mythology which Mimir is most likely from. The depiction in the middle is Tyr holding the Unity Stone while he is on one of the branches of the World Tree Yggdrasil. Can see stars and galaxies.

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Mimir states the Unity Stone is what enables Tyr to travel between the nine realms and even other lands.

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[Papa Nier]

Mimir explains in the beginning, there were no realms, only Primordial Forms, fire, and ice, all inhabiting a cosmic void named Ginnungagap, from which Ymir the first giant sprung forth. Ymir’s body gave rise to everything that came after, all gods, man and beasts came from his flesh.

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After Ymir came, the Fire Giant Surtr followed him. Born within Mullspheim, the realm of fire, Surtr was the one who created the Sun and all the stars, bringing heat to the primordial cosmos from which all nine realms are built upon.

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The Bifrost is used to traverse between the realms, explores their fractured reality.

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Matt Sophos further clarifies the nature of the realms, he repeats that all of the realms are separate dimensions existing within the same physical space.

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There are these black rifts in space which are officially called “Realm Tears”. There are twenty-one in the game, and Kratos is forced to close the rifts by himself. The official guidebook alongside Atreus’s journal, reveals that these rifts are actually holes in the fabric of reality.

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it is stated that each of the nine realms' time flows differently from each other.

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Kratos with the Unity Stone is able to traverse Yggdrasil. When you jump off one of these branches while wielding the Unity Stone’s power, you spend a minute falling into the void, passing several constellations and distant dots, and when the fall finally reaches its end you step onto what is merely another branch of Yggdrasil.

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[Papa Nier]

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

My playthrough continues, and thus more to share with you all (of course, be aware of spoilers)...

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I wasn't able to properly get screenshots of this, but due to a forge accident, Brok died in the past, and Sindri went to Hel to get him back, swimming through legions of dark spirits. However, he was only able to bring back three quarters of Broks soul.

The Einherjar can use the skies to travel between realms, and cause some considerable explosions when landing.

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Ratatoskr is the squirrel who tends the branches of Yggdrasil, and has several spectral aspects.

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Niflheim is an ancient realm.

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Tyr has been to the Western Lands, where he picked up the idea for a dream charm to absorb nightmares (this is quite similar to a dream catcher, which implies that Tyr has been to America, as the ancient vikings did).

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Freyr used his divine powers to settle peace between the light elves and the dark elves.

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Light elves and dark elves were once the same race, before they discovered the power of light.

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Fimbulwinter is affecting the Lake of Souls, causing it to become volatile.

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The Lake of Souls is a place of birth and rebirth, where souls gather waiting to be born. After the creation of the Nine Realms, souls began to gather in this lake. When the elves discovered the power of the Lake of Souls, they built the temple to harness it's power, though many grew addicted to the power, and thus the light elves where born.

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[Stocking Anarchy]

More feats and lore from Ragnarok (beware spoilers once again)...

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The light elves used Alfheims light to make the temple stronger.

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Freyr had the power to heal the land and calm its peoples.

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Hafgufa's are colossal jellyfish-like creatures found in Alfheim. Sometimes the creatures get stuck underground because of the dark elves hive matter trapping them.

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Hafgufa's burrow underground, which allowed them to become trapped by the dark elves hive matter.

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The hafgufa is causing the sandstorms by singing the Song of Sands.

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When the hafgufa is freed, it flies into the sky easily (which would show that the hive matter is harder to break through than sand and rock for these creatures), and the sandstorm aboveground ceases, as the creature is content.

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There is another sandstorm, which would mean another hafgufa is trapped underground (although I can't access that area yet, so I'll get back to you on that one).

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The poem "Celestial Construct" refers to a new dimension. Make of it what you will.

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You fight the exact same draugr in at least two seperate realms.

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After defeating this draugr, you get Dust of Realms, which are formless ashes found within realm tears, unnatural branches between realms.

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Nidhogg and her brood help keep the ecosystem of yggdrasil in check along with Ratatoskr; Ratatoskr tends to the branches above, while Nidhogg chews at the roots below to prevent overgrowth (also the implications that a tree that exists outside time and space which spans multiple planes of existence can have overgrowth).

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[Stocking Anarchy]

From the Art of God of War (the fourth one). Yggdrasil is the tree which grows out of the Lake of Nine and connects the different worlds, and can be used to travel between realms. The artists had to give a physical form to these non-physical objects (regarding both Yggdrasil and the Lake of Nine).

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Mimir is a god of immense wisdom. Being too valuable to kill, Odin kept him prisoner and enchanted his mind and eyesso that he can never lie (which means all the stories he tells are the truth).

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The temple of light in Alfheim represents birth and rebirth.

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An idea for the Temple of Light in Alfheim was that it was where the souls of beings waiting to be born across the Nine Realms waited, and because of the Dark Elf invasion of the temple there were many more stillbirths during that time.

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Skoll and Hati are the two wolves who chase the Sun and moon around endlessly (this will be important for Ragnarok).

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The gods of the Norse Pantheon take on smaller aspects than appeared in previous games, manifesting as shadows that run past the players in the woods and other manifestations (as well as of course their main forms that you fight).

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Musphelheim is a volcanic world with giant volcanos, and is the place where Surtr creates his sword, which is said will burn the world during Ragnarok.

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[Papa Nier]

God of War Ragnarok makes a reference to PlayStation All-Stars

 

[Getsa]

God of War Ragnarok makes a reference to PlayStation All-Stars

He doesn't want to remember Sackboy kicking his ass

 

[Papa Nier]

He doesn't want to remember Sackboy kicking his ass

Sackboy is no slouch, in kart racing, Sackboy defeated the Trash Monster who exploded. His explosion destroyed the planet they were on and Sackboy survived unscathed. In the second game upon defeating the Negativitron created planet-sized creations. The LittleBigPlanet games can make your own worlds and levels in Create Mode.

 

[Papa Nier]

@Stocking Anarchy So, with all these feats and statements, would Kratos be higher than continent level?

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

@Stocking Anarchy So, with all these feats and statements, would Kratos be higher than continent level?

We really getting into this discussion? Oh dear... Remember you started this.

The biggest one I know would be Thor and Jormungar fighting shaking the Nine Realms and splintering Yggdrasil (each realm being in its own plane of existence with its own timeflow).

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Kratos and Thor looked liked they caused a similar fracture in their first fight.

Baldur hurts Jormungar at the end of GoW4, and Kratos kills Baldur.

The issue I think is the size of each realm, as GoW seems to have a lot of basis of ancient world models (like the Greek World being flat). Even with that said though, there are at least two statements of the cosmos being infinite (infinite sky from one of the novels and the developer comment of there being infinite distance visible in the underworld). Even in several models of ancient cosmologies where the Earth is geocentric or flat, the concept of infinite space can still exist (and this is something I myself have lots of experience with, having done TES lore for years).

For the Greek games, it would depend if Kratos scales to any gods who control/create the infinite sky.

Even ignoring universal/multiversal Kratos arguments for now, going by the huge size of the Greek world, it should likely be more (though the below calc doesn't take into account that Kratos did stop to get water a few times).

God of War earth size.

thanks @BenTennyson there are many statement about GoW earth size according to god of war lore/backstory. and it should be noted if GoW earth is not like ours, the earth is flat. okay first , about the size of the atmosphere layer...

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[Astaro]

@Stocking Anarchy That thing made at the aftermath of Kratos and Thor’s first fight is actually a frozen lightning strike from a combination of Mjolnir and Leviathan Axe (Ice) when they clashed




There is a Realm Tear in that location also present that you could argue was made as a result of Kratos and Thor’s battle