Game Ranked Hades Mafia - Game Thread

[Aurelian]

Orca should be the lynch anyway.

Like I know I'm beating a dead horse here but look at it - he hasn't even begun to address any points against him. Nobody has offered any sort of defence either - it's just read him town and hope it goes away.

I feel like for the most part there is no thinking going on here, it's infuriating.

Oh I agree that Orca and Polar are both being glazed over way too much for my liking. Though I'm curious how do you feel about Retro if somehow both Magic and Orca end up being town? Magic's defense of Orca in day 1 was particularly bizarre and not in line with his normal play dealing with that sort of behavior.

Also iirc Gramm frequently makes use of fake claims for scum players? I'm kind of hesitant about Nible's subtle flavor claim.

 

[Ultra]

There's a couple aspect of Magic's play that I find hard to explain from scum him.

Deciding to pick up the gauntlet with Aurelian in the middle of Day 1 for example just seems like poor scum calculus. No shot he actually thinks that takes off. Best explanation is that he was trying to tie him to Ekko, but I think in general I think it's easier to explain as sensing a subtle bit of offness there and questioning it.

Worst part of his Day 1 was his read of Orca which did seem like TMI lol. Not totally irreconcilable either.

But overall on Ekko, even though he's I guess a bit of a late arrival all his posts to him look fairly good.

 

[Ultra]

Hmmm I’m kinda torn here because I do have orca as scum but this seems slimy lol

Why?

You had him as town yesterday. Might be something to that. Think he gets that result from you and approaches you the way he did?

 

[Poyser]

I mean you had him as town for the CP kill and I don't think you scum read him for how he handled Ekko. These things feel more pertinent than Gad. I'm not saying he couldn't have bussed Ekko but if you see no cracks in how he got there it's enough to make me hesitate.

Yes I don’t think if it was up to him that he would have killed CP, I do stand by that. That said there’s so much that could have happened here, including protecting teammates or letting teammates make the decision, even the fact that it may not have been the mafia kill etc. it made me want to give him the benefit of the doubt but it’s not really enough to override his play

I also thought he was scummy on day 1 as well, I don’t remember much about his play around Ekko but I don’t think it was particularly strong? Fairly sure it started by him saying he will leave his vote there whilst he catches up cos he was the main wagon, and after that we are getting into bus territory so from memory at least I don’t think we can rule out them being aligned

 

[Atsumori]

There's a couple aspect of Magic's play that I find hard to explain from scum him.

Deciding to pick up the gauntlet with Aurelian in the middle of Day 1 for example just seems like poor scum calculus. No shot he actually thinks that takes off. Best explanation is that he was trying to tie him to Ekko, but I think in general I think it's easier to explain as sensing a subtle bit of offness there and questioning it.

Worst part of his Day 1 was his read of Orca which did seem like TMI lol. Not totally irreconcilable either.

But overall on Ekko, even though he's I guess a bit of a late arrival all his posts to him look fairly good.

Him being in the last voting Ekko is criminal and indicates bussing.

 

[Aurelian]

Who brought back Retro into the heat that causes the initial wagon on Ekko to drop from -2 to 4-5 votes back in day 1?

 

[Poyser]

Why?

You had him as town yesterday. Might be something to that. Think he gets that result from you and approaches you the way he did?

Huh

I never had him as town, in fact I’m the one that started forcing his claim lol. I did say his reaction to me and his result felt kinda towny but then also he would legit have that result even if he’s scum Roletracker etc

 

[Poyser]

Tbf I kinda wanna flip Retro because I think we almost need to at this point, just wanna use the day for other stuff as well

Why would you say this if you don’t think she’s scum

 

[Dr. Watson]

why is xadlin and ratchet green
why is me alco and tpein red

Since no one has done it

Spoiler

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tweet town
nibel town
luka lean town, do have reservations i'll post them after
alco lean town
watson null/town, content says scum, tone says town. i checked out of the knee jerk reaction convo

ultra/magic/ratchet - null, wouldnt doubt 1 scum there. ultra's kinda weaksauce snipping at people, including dofla which was the only actual good thing he said, and he isn't even voting on him. ratchet basically just gave a summary and inaccurate reason for why a player is actually being sused. magic hasnt done shit


but thats not the reason why ultra is susing me or dofla, nor is at all why is dofla actually sus huh?


ultra is actually susing dofla for something totally different. this type of reason can come more via distancing/tmi. dofla is sus for giving a reason that came after his vote, not for whatever this is

the nulls may point to something or I'm biased

ill leave magic to my right hand man poyser

ill handle ultra

MHW all over again

dofla melkor ratchet ultra magic cp lethal tpein luka

i think i might have gave luka too much benefit of doubt from interaction with dofla initially

lmao

is that supposed to intimidate me? i sus 4/6 of those and wont doubt like 2-3 on this wagon r scum

Good point! Thank you, Ekko

what if ekko flips town, where do u go?

I just want to point out he didn't refer to himself in first person, this is a slip

that wud be because he got caught for it fairly quickly until he mech cleared himself

in his first game he didnt put people as town with the same confidence, and struggled to read naomi town of all people, which is understandable because he had no meta knowledge of her

Flipflops here

but i still think poyser is town and cp is lean town for his post to retro.

i also came around to seeing luka as town despite his main directions being shit

feel like ur trying to frame it to make me look scummy without really committing to it

magic who u have as scum rn

already ahead of u there magic

and u sus me for having the same read and reason too, what gives

Yawn

town
nibel
tweet tending a bit down similar to poyser
maybe luka
maybe gad
maybe cp
maybe xadlin

null/town
poyser, can be deep wolf, i liked his early play but then he vanished for majority of the day. could need pressure later

null/undecided
aurelian, no town tell yet, need to be pressured. gut town or indie
polar
orca
magic
tpein
hime
lethal

null/scum
ratchet, cant really tell where his head at, i think unironically he can be a filthy indie playing it safe. need to be pressured
ultra, WEAKSAUCE. not seeing his town energy and drive this game, need to be pressured
dofla, havent done shit yet since early, need to be pressured and yeeted

scum
retro, bizzare aggression on my wagon, taking positions that she hasnt thought of much, too much confidence and less spontaneousness as her town play. cp summed up the rest pretty much

Going back to this list in a bit to edit it with confirmed town in the null pile

this is arguing semantics

ur presence vanished, i don't sense movement from u as much anymore

what have u done after the early game? why shud i keep my lean town on u when u moved from retro to me and done nothing else of value?

Lmao

because the case is utter dogshit, id rather die and let town live with their mistake

ive left my solve, interacted with players, did what i can from my PoV. the rest is up to u guys

Theatrics

well aside from retro

too many ppl in null zone and not posting, cant magically read them

i think we got a live one in ultra/magic/ratchet

and in polar/orca/melkor/dofla/lethal

it's like shots in the dark

and possible deep wolf like posyer, tho i think his play individually is townie, just got weaker

Read on Poy reads like TMI the most here honestly

im off to sleep this is where am at, gonna try move ppl away from null based on the little we have on them

town
nibel - trending down
tweet - trending down
luka
alco - early push on watson was good, hope he can play more in day 2 or will trend down. will look better if watson flips mafia
cp
xadlin

lean town
aurelian - he's talking mad shite, but he's not gonna approach me like this as scum imo. idk what new strategy he's cooking but i think his playstyle has been mostly the same lol, minus the silly town tell
tpein - he's not trying any silly shit, might actually just be town. weak af read
orca - fook it, town reading him for agreeing with my posts and going against ultra

no idea/need to post more and be pressured
hime
gad - i see ppl susing him but idk why, i havent played with him as scum. his posts don't seem THAT terrible to me out of hand
lethal
melkor
polar, don't think his PR (if true) shud stop him from scum hunting

lean scum
dofla
magic/ratchet/ultra, atleast one here is, maybe 2

scum
watson - shes basically playing totally opposite of her MO. she's over aggressive for no reason, voting a player she later on call as indie, and makes posts and takes positions without giving them thoughts and convolutions like her normal town play.


if anything atleast follow this after my flip, i dont really have the energy nor the time to puff my chest on anyone, i think lots of ppl have been treating me in bad faith, allowing an easy wagon to build up with lots of people on it not explaining their votes. i think ppl like ultra who shud be able to read me town are unable to do it which reflects poorly on their alignment. i think people like aurelian who never read me correctly shudnt receive the same level of scrutiny. i think magic is starting to lean more into his tunnel scum play, and this time is being more slimy about it by indirectly talking about me more so than to me, the main person he is susing

i think out of the townies, i can see poyser being scum if it gets to late and he's still alive. i can see xadlin being scum if he continues not talking live and just posting like AI. and i can see alco being scum but that'd require him to start the game with a harsh bus on watson who i have as scum. if watson is indie or town i think alco might need to be looked at.

who else?

Jumps from a definitive read on me then jumps to Poy to probably attempt a wagon on him if he didn't get one on me

xadlin shud be in the lean town not town section, im sleepy as shit lol

forgot to put poyser there too in the same section

TMI

Shifting read on Poy

magic whats ur read of me?

Digging for an opinion

whats the hold up? i dont plan on being neither aggrevating nor pushy. im still doing my part, giving reads (that you now agree with partially). why r u trying to solve me via tone more than content like i dont produce content as town?

and im pretty sure watson and aurelian tend to post before going to work and at night. in fact if she doesn't post now there is a chance she doesnt post till the end of day because shell be at work

i know this because i tried to throw sus on her in himes game and she was there in those times to defend herself

her last post was like 4pm my time. shes usually able to post at night and evening so she had ample time to do so

Just a post that doesn't enlighten me personally, someone might see whether it pings them

well i already know whats the hold up. ur focusing on tone and not my actual content. u havent sat down and thought why cant this come from town ekko whose just decided to slow down on the tone..i dont think uve given my play wider consideration in that aspect

as for my pushes. maybe i was wrong early on luka but i still maintain its objectively scummy to make reads that u cant explain well. and u havent discussed my town reads which i am more confident in than scum reads given the activity and contribution levels from most of my nulls

i dont really have the power to steer anything now on my own and nothing is gonna happen while i am leading so im not going to be able to progress the reads much without any sort of pressure

Flipflops on Luka

because watson just claimed and i wasnt gonna claim b4 her for ego purposes

why not, he knows the flavor

Overall: Not that it gives any concrete info here but his play around Magic can go either way and I'm not sure what to make of it because he's wriggling and clawing for a way out

Magic is promoted to Captain Coinflip now

These slots should never be lynched:
Poy
Luka

Ekko's play toward them flipflops less than his other reads imo, implies he's not quite sure how to execute his read on them, so he's throwing crap out there as an intimidation tactic probably

Don't think his scumplay is heavily reliant reverse psychology, so I'm also ruling that out for now - his play is just chaotic by default so parsing his reads means there's probably a couple of slips here I need to look at with more detail

Seems he might be throwing mates under the bus but all of this behavior and erratic solving implies obvious desperation. But who was he most desperate to try to counterwagon? Was he like trying to throw names out there that were completely random or was he trying to get a lynch on a mate

If there's a deepwolf, it means the heavy bussing theory may be on the table because imo experienced scum would see Ekko wouldn't survive regardless and it was doomed from the start
If there's a less experienced deepwolf (or wolves rather than LHF) it implies his mates and him were struggling and it got out of control

I hope this makes sense

@Poyser
You have limited time so here's the tl;dr
So for the two scenarios (im, this is all just my takeaway) that may be at play here, which do you think is most likely? Are there any connections you can make in these posts that might place others in the primary PoE?

 

[Magic]

And why are you answering questions for me this is exactly the shit you would criticise someone else for

If you're actually scum reading me you let me defend my own push

Because the question was dumb and already explained by you. Tweets question showed he had no awareness of what was otherwise obvious.

As far as my play being all over the place, the majority of people have voted and won't budge their votes. If everyone sits on their hands then we'll accomplish nothing.

I am not scum reading you. I was following ultra.

 

[Magic]

Sorry guys, I’m not going to be able to catch up until much later in the day. Feel free to ping me if there’s anything specific you want me to comment on/look at

Iso nibel

 

[Poyser]

i reject a mass claim until next day phase.

protection roles are down and investigation roles were similarly shut down last phase. we'd be exposing investigation roles to being shot while not actually getting much information out of them. this is also after a janitor that makes claim hunting more pointless.

like surely you cant be this obtuse.

Agree that the call for mass claim was really bizarre tho

 

[Ultra]

Huh

I never had him as town, in fact I’m the one that started forcing his claim lol. I did say his reaction to me and his result felt kinda towny but then also he would legit have that result even if he’s scum Roletracker etc

Well basically it depends on how you think he would approach you after having roletracked you, I dunno your role but needless to say if you had something that was obviously not easy to push that information would probably effect how he treated you

 

[Magic]

Yes

Do something

 

[Poyser]

I also think If he was legit a Jailor and invests were down he should had been taken down 100%
I aint buying it.

This is actually a good point

 

[Ultra]

Well basically it depends on how you think he would approach you after having roletracked you, I dunno your role but needless to say if you had something that was obviously not easy to push that information would probably effect how he treated you

Especially if he has a team backing him there's benefit to keeping that information confidential.

This isn't very strong since he was pushed to claim mind you

 

[Ultra]

This is actually a good point

Nope, obvious hole.

 

[Magic]

Have you actually read my posts or are you just using the votes themselves to push whatever you want? Can you even tell me what my main points of contention are on Orca?

Your issue with his usage, him tracking hime that he didn't even scum read, and his inconsistent explanations


All of.that he still could have done as town

 

[Magic]

Just for reference, I couldn't remember if he had changed a read on me or what he read me as specifically

This looks organic and has lined up with his hesitancy to give me a firm read since the beginning, I don't think his push on me is coming from thin air RDK

What do you think of rdk then.

 

[Poyser]

I would assume 'indirectly establish player alignment' would be something like a track on a VT for example but clarification would be good I agree

That doesn’t make any sense lol because at no point can you get someone’s alignment from tracking them

Indirectly would be like covering Gads role where different things happen depending on the alignment of someone he targets