Oh I agree that Orca and Polar are both being glazed over way too much for my liking. Though I'm curious how do you feel about Retro if somehow both Magic and Orca end up being town? Magic's defense of Orca in day 1 was particularly bizarre and not in line with his normal play dealing with that sort of behavior.Orca should be the lynch anyway.
Like I know I'm beating a dead horse here but look at it - he hasn't even begun to address any points against him. Nobody has offered any sort of defence either - it's just read him town and hope it goes away.
I feel like for the most part there is no thinking going on here, it's infuriating.
Hmmm I’m kinda torn here because I do have orca as scum but this seems slimy lol
Yes I don’t think if it was up to him that he would have killed CP, I do stand by that. That said there’s so much that could have happened here, including protecting teammates or letting teammates make the decision, even the fact that it may not have been the mafia kill etc. it made me want to give him the benefit of the doubt but it’s not really enough to override his playI mean you had him as town for the CP kill and I don't think you scum read him for how he handled Ekko. These things feel more pertinent than Gad. I'm not saying he couldn't have bussed Ekko but if you see no cracks in how he got there it's enough to make me hesitate.
Him being in the last voting Ekko is criminal and indicates bussing.There's a couple aspect of Magic's play that I find hard to explain from scum him.
Deciding to pick up the gauntlet with Aurelian in the middle of Day 1 for example just seems like poor scum calculus. No shot he actually thinks that takes off. Best explanation is that he was trying to tie him to Ekko, but I think in general I think it's easier to explain as sensing a subtle bit of offness there and questioning it.
Worst part of his Day 1 was his read of Orca which did seem like TMI lol. Not totally irreconcilable either.
But overall on Ekko, even though he's I guess a bit of a late arrival all his posts to him look fairly good.
HuhWhy?
You had him as town yesterday. Might be something to that. Think he gets that result from you and approaches you the way he did?
Why would you say this if you don’t think she’s scumTbf I kinda wanna flip Retro because I think we almost need to at this point, just wanna use the day for other stuff as well
Since no one has done itwhy is xadlin and ratchet green
why is me alco and tpein red
the nulls may point to something or I'm biasedpage 6
tweet town
nibel town
luka lean town, do have reservations i'll post them after
alco lean town
watson null/town, content says scum, tone says town. i checked out of the knee jerk reaction convo
ultra/magic/ratchet - null, wouldnt doubt 1 scum there. ultra's kinda weaksauce snipping at people, including dofla which was the only actual good thing he said, and he isn't even voting on him. ratchet basically just gave a summary and inaccurate reason for why a player is actually being sused. magic hasnt done shit
but thats not the reason why ultra is susing me or dofla, nor is at all why is dofla actually sus huh?
ultra is actually susing dofla for something totally different. this type of reason can come more via distancing/tmi. dofla is sus for giving a reason that came after his vote, not for whatever this is
ill leave magic to my right hand man poyser
ill handle ultra
MHW all over again
lmaodofla melkor ratchet ultra magic cp lethal tpein luka
i think i might have gave luka too much benefit of doubt from interaction with dofla initially
Good point! Thank you, Ekkois that supposed to intimidate me? i sus 4/6 of those and wont doubt like 2-3 on this wagon r scum
I just want to point out he didn't refer to himself in first person, this is a slipwhat if ekko flips town, where do u go?
Flipflops herethat wud be because he got caught for it fairly quickly until he mech cleared himself
in his first game he didnt put people as town with the same confidence, and struggled to read naomi town of all people, which is understandable because he had no meta knowledge of her
but i still think poyser is town and cp is lean town for his post to retro.
i also came around to seeing luka as town despite his main directions being shit
feel like ur trying to frame it to make me look scummy without really committing to it
magic who u have as scum rn
Yawnalready ahead of u there magic
and u sus me for having the same read and reason too, what gives
Going back to this list in a bit to edit it with confirmed town in the null piletown
nibel
tweet tending a bit down similar to poyser
maybe luka
maybe gad
maybe cp
maybe xadlin
null/town
poyser, can be deep wolf, i liked his early play but then he vanished for majority of the day. could need pressure later
null/undecided
aurelian, no town tell yet, need to be pressured. gut town or indie
polar
orca
magic
tpein
hime
lethal
null/scum
ratchet, cant really tell where his head at, i think unironically he can be a filthy indie playing it safe. need to be pressured
ultra, WEAKSAUCE. not seeing his town energy and drive this game, need to be pressured
dofla, havent done shit yet since early, need to be pressured and yeeted
scum
retro, bizzare aggression on my wagon, taking positions that she hasnt thought of much, too much confidence and less spontaneousness as her town play. cp summed up the rest pretty much
Lmaothis is arguing semantics
ur presence vanished, i don't sense movement from u as much anymore
what have u done after the early game? why shud i keep my lean town on u when u moved from retro to me and done nothing else of value?
Theatricsbecause the case is utter dogshit, id rather die and let town live with their mistake
ive left my solve, interacted with players, did what i can from my PoV. the rest is up to u guys
Read on Poy reads like TMI the most here honestlywell aside from retro
too many ppl in null zone and not posting, cant magically read them
i think we got a live one in ultra/magic/ratchet
and in polar/orca/melkor/dofla/lethal
it's like shots in the dark
and possible deep wolf like posyer, tho i think his play individually is townie, just got weaker
Jumps from a definitive read on me then jumps to Poy to probably attempt a wagon on him if he didn't get one on meim off to sleep this is where am at, gonna try move ppl away from null based on the little we have on them
town
nibel - trending down
tweet - trending down
luka
alco - early push on watson was good, hope he can play more in day 2 or will trend down. will look better if watson flips mafia
cp
xadlin
lean town
aurelian - he's talking mad shite, but he's not gonna approach me like this as scum imo. idk what new strategy he's cooking but i think his playstyle has been mostly the same lol, minus the silly town tell
tpein - he's not trying any silly shit, might actually just be town. weak af read
orca - fook it, town reading him for agreeing with my posts and going against ultra
no idea/need to post more and be pressured
hime
gad - i see ppl susing him but idk why, i havent played with him as scum. his posts don't seem THAT terrible to me out of hand
lethal
melkor
polar, don't think his PR (if true) shud stop him from scum hunting
lean scum
dofla
magic/ratchet/ultra, atleast one here is, maybe 2
scum
watson - shes basically playing totally opposite of her MO. she's over aggressive for no reason, voting a player she later on call as indie, and makes posts and takes positions without giving them thoughts and convolutions like her normal town play.
if anything atleast follow this after my flip, i dont really have the energy nor the time to puff my chest on anyone, i think lots of ppl have been treating me in bad faith, allowing an easy wagon to build up with lots of people on it not explaining their votes. i think ppl like ultra who shud be able to read me town are unable to do it which reflects poorly on their alignment. i think people like aurelian who never read me correctly shudnt receive the same level of scrutiny. i think magic is starting to lean more into his tunnel scum play, and this time is being more slimy about it by indirectly talking about me more so than to me, the main person he is susing
i think out of the townies, i can see poyser being scum if it gets to late and he's still alive. i can see xadlin being scum if he continues not talking live and just posting like AI. and i can see alco being scum but that'd require him to start the game with a harsh bus on watson who i have as scum. if watson is indie or town i think alco might need to be looked at.
who else?
TMIxadlin shud be in the lean town not town section, im sleepy as shit lol
forgot to put poyser there too in the same section
Digging for an opinionmagic whats ur read of me?
Just a post that doesn't enlighten me personally, someone might see whether it pings themwhats the hold up? i dont plan on being neither aggrevating nor pushy. im still doing my part, giving reads (that you now agree with partially). why r u trying to solve me via tone more than content like i dont produce content as town?
and im pretty sure watson and aurelian tend to post before going to work and at night. in fact if she doesn't post now there is a chance she doesnt post till the end of day because shell be at work
i know this because i tried to throw sus on her in himes game and she was there in those times to defend herself
her last post was like 4pm my time. shes usually able to post at night and evening so she had ample time to do so
Flipflops on Lukawell i already know whats the hold up. ur focusing on tone and not my actual content. u havent sat down and thought why cant this come from town ekko whose just decided to slow down on the tone..i dont think uve given my play wider consideration in that aspect
as for my pushes. maybe i was wrong early on luka but i still maintain its objectively scummy to make reads that u cant explain well. and u havent discussed my town reads which i am more confident in than scum reads given the activity and contribution levels from most of my nulls
i dont really have the power to steer anything now on my own and nothing is gonna happen while i am leading so im not going to be able to progress the reads much without any sort of pressure
because watson just claimed and i wasnt gonna claim b4 her for ego purposes
Overall: Not that it gives any concrete info here but his play around Magic can go either way and I'm not sure what to make of it because he's wriggling and clawing for a way outwhy not, he knows the flavor
Because the question was dumb and already explained by you. Tweets question showed he had no awareness of what was otherwise obvious.And why are you answering questions for me this is exactly the shit you would criticise someone else for
If you're actually scum reading me you let me defend my own push
Iso nibelSorry guys, I’m not going to be able to catch up until much later in the day. Feel free to ping me if there’s anything specific you want me to comment on/look at
Agree that the call for mass claim was really bizarre thoi reject a mass claim until next day phase.
protection roles are down and investigation roles were similarly shut down last phase. we'd be exposing investigation roles to being shot while not actually getting much information out of them. this is also after a janitor that makes claim hunting more pointless.
like surely you cant be this obtuse.
Huh
I never had him as town, in fact I’m the one that started forcing his claim lol. I did say his reaction to me and his result felt kinda towny but then also he would legit have that result even if he’s scum Roletracker etc
Do something
This is actually a good pointI also think If he was legit a Jailor and invests were down he should had been taken down 100%
I aint buying it.
Well basically it depends on how you think he would approach you after having roletracked you, I dunno your role but needless to say if you had something that was obviously not easy to push that information would probably effect how he treated you
This is actually a good point
Your issue with his usage, him tracking hime that he didn't even scum read, and his inconsistent explanationsHave you actually read my posts or are you just using the votes themselves to push whatever you want? Can you even tell me what my main points of contention are on Orca?
What do you think of rdk then.Just for reference, I couldn't remember if he had changed a read on me or what he read me as specifically
This looks organic and has lined up with his hesitancy to give me a firm read since the beginning, I don't think his push on me is coming from thin air RDK
That doesn’t make any sense lol because at no point can you get someone’s alignment from tracking themI would assume 'indirectly establish player alignment' would be something like a track on a VT for example but clarification would be good I agree
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