OBD Convo #12: the law of the victory, is courage and hope

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Lol is this bitch suppose to be Lucifer? She sounds more like an angry Karen whining about how "oppressive and privileged" God is. :kobeha
 
i adore the prequels but phantom menace is insanely inconsistent and I would say it's easily the worst of those, but it's ultimately saved by Darth Maul being cool and iconic which is something no disney wars movie came close to achieving

I think Attack of The Clones is worse but that's more or less due to it being the worse of the "wooden acting"(Which is a flaw but I can see where George was coming from, Jedi AREN'T supposed to be emotional and how Padme comes from explicitly, she would also need to distance herself well from alot of things as she isn't openly supposed to be the Queen).

The Phantom Menace actually built up the World-Building pretty well and I won't blame Child Anakin for his performance(he was just a fucking kid, the DIALOGUE THOUGH is Lucas's fault) and it was pretty well grounded for itself in a way that definitely felt like the OT but updated.

No just some sort of fanmade art of Helltakers Lucifer as an angel

Like you can understand why I think they look similar here:
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The only difference is that the latter has a coat on in that image but I'm certain this one has some scenes where she has a similar coat on as well.
 

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I think Attack of The Clones is worse but that's more or less due to it being the worse of the "wooden acting"(Which is a flaw but I can see where George was coming from, Jedi AREN'T supposed to be emotional and how Padme comes from explicitly, she would also need to distance herself well from alot of things as she isn't openly supposed to be the Queen).

The Phantom Menace actually built up the World-Building pretty well and I won't blame Child Anakin for his performance(he was just a fucking kid, the DIALOGUE THOUGH is Lucas's fault) and it was pretty well grounded for itself in a way that definitely felt like the OT but updated.



Like you can understand why I think they look similar here:
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The only difference is that the latter has a coat on in that image but I'm certain this one has some scenes where she has a similar coat on as well.
so I spent my whole life hating attack of the clones and then I rewatched it with my wife last year and now we both fucking love it

yeah anakin's acting is weird, but the story is actually interesting as fuck and almost every setpiece is exciting to watch. The Obi Wan vs Jango spacefight is also the best in the series imo. It's flawed but I have nothing but love for that movie now.

Phantom Menace I thought I'd like a lot more on the rewatch. The lore is good and it has a really strong opening act, but it skips around a lot (the takeover of Naboo is something we don't actually get to see happen) and of course just too much Jar Jar. He could have been fine in smaller doses, but he was crammed into like every scene and it fucked a lot up.
 

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I am sorta in-between on is AOTC or TPM is better or worse than the other. When I rewatch the films again I think I will have my opinion set but I think both have their ups and downs compared to the other. ROTS will always be my personal favorite SW film of all time, even when looking at the Originals.
 

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Yea, like having Luke Skywalker be portrayed as a hermit drinking green milk out of whatever that thing is in his first appearance in the movie The Last Jedi...

People will warm up to that movie and the Rise of Skywalker eventually though. It's just going through a Prequel Trilogy phase when the first movie came out in 1999 and the people at the time balked at it.

I sincerely doubt it. The issues with the Prequels and Sequels are completely different.

People took issue with the Prequels for fucking with their assumptions on what pre-Empire was like, and for some odd characterization on Anakins part. It ran over their fanon with a steam roller and it took a while for people to warm up to the rest. But there were also several things unanimously agreed to be great like the addition of Mace Windu and Yoda being a living buzz saw. Not to mention having the best lightsaber fights in the entire series and some of the best set pieces as well.

The Sequels are hated for fucking with the OG Trilogy. They retroactively ruin the happy endings of the Power Trio and kill all three of them off fighting a war they're partially responsible for because Luke and Han regressed to their pre-OG selves and Leia is a mannequin who can't actually do anything on her own, so they betray/abandon/ignore Ben and he turns into Kylo and kills the rest of the Jedi apprentices.

Additionally the lightsaber fights are somehow worse than the one between Old Ben and Vader where the two at least treated the lightsabers like rapiers instead of baseball bats, much less the rest of the OG or the prequels. The set pieces are comically small in scale despite involving a giant planet gun at one point, being a blow for blow of the Battle of Yavin....which was a desperate last scramble of a small group of fighters against a mobile military base.

The Last Jedi has zero conception of space combat in a way I can hardly find words for but includes the concept of friction in the vacuum of deep space and arcing laser shots. Its counterpart in the Battle of Hoth annihilates it with a relatively reasonable translation of trench warfare to the sci-fi setting with explanations as to why they're doing all the seemingly primitive ships (tldr shields preventing air or space based attacks on the base)

Rise of Skywalker tries to make up for this all at the end by throwing a bunch of ships at the viewer only to not do anything with them. The Battle of Endor by comparison has far fewer ships and yet seems to be ten times the scale while juggling three different battlefields at once, each with their own distinct tone and setting (the throne room duel, the fast paced space battle, and the chaos of the jungle war)

The Prequels did their own thing in their own weird way and took heat for it, but that helped them stand the test of time. The Sequels tried to use the OG as a springboard without giving a damn as to what that meant for the OG and now people hate them for it.

The situations are not equivalent
 

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it's really weird how the sequels don't have any good lightsaber fights, even episode 7's finale fight is just ok at best

im not really sure how they could have fucked that up, it genuinely makes no sense to me

Have you seen Shadiversity's dissection of the Throne room battle royale in TLJ? It takes him like fifteen minutes to get through the first ten seconds because of how bad it is :skully
 
Rise of Skywalker tries to make up for this all at the end by throwing a bunch of ships at the viewer only to not do anything with them. The Battle of Endor by comparison has far fewer ships and yet seems to be ten times the scale while juggling three different battlefields at once, each with their own distinct tone and setting (the throne room duel, the fast paced space battle, and the chaos of the jungle war)

RoS is even worse in the ship regard when you remember the biggest sin of them of why Palpatine just didn't wipe the floor with people already:

Somehow they need a navigation system to be told... how to go up... no fucking joke.
 
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