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OBD Convo #46: No Matter What!

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Makes me wonder. You got Mathers and Crowley naturally since Crowley in particular was known for his many eccentricities, but do any other works out there reference Anna Sprengel?

Always figured a real life figure whose existence was never even proven but is claimed to be the founder of the Golden Dawn would see use in works referencing and using that occult just for how mysterious everything about her is
 

Most of the big wigs in To Aru are based on real people from the shit Aliester Crowley went through(Dude's life was utterly nuts just like he was), I thought you guys would know that?

Like even Aiwass is based on a being that Aliester Crowley worships that is based on how he sees Angels... which is apparently disgusting as fuck. Crowley was also used in SMT 2 as a memorable yet crazy boss.
 
I’m not talking Toaru. I’m wondering if there’s any other work out there that uses the Golden Dawn that’s made a character for Anna Sprengel, a relatively obscure and mysterious figure of that occult that we never even know was a real person.

Between that and the claim she’s the founder, lot of potential there for a villain
 
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I can sort of see the marketing argument because, even I'll admit that I didn't hear of App Monsters or Ghost Game until they were well into their runs, BUT I'd also add that the stigma of "Pokemon rip-off" (however false it is) never really left Digimon so that is also a contributing factor to it getting a lot less attention.

The rest of this though comes across as "how dare these newer digimon seasons (Adventure 2020 not included) try something different?" Which yeah seems to be a sadly consistent thing in this fanbase. The amount of people who disregard Frontier for NO other reason than it broke from the normal formula, is ridiculous and the new seasons simply got hit with it harder (especially Xros Wars).

Now I've not seen enough of the newer seasons except Xros Wars to go against the idea that the newer characters aren't as interesting. I'd agree in terms of the humans in Xros Wars but they made up for that by having more focus on the Digimon characters.

Also "There's no stakes in Ghost Game, no one really gets hurt." I've only watched a few episodes but even though no one DIES, people do get fucked up in Ghost Game. Never mind this being the series with some of the most violent Digimon deaths in the series, courtesy mostly of GulusGammamon (who is your overarching plot right there).


I really don't see how it's "NOT SERIOUS" anymore. ha
 

I don't understand this at all...
What do people mean that there is no stakes if no one dies? That's not how stakes work and you can make stakes work in different ways. Saitama nor Mob ever truly gets hurt when they fight, not even against their most powerful foes(Mob at worst had his arm messed up against the True CLAW leader but even that is basically gone before the next arc) yet the stakes was a hell of alot more than them getting hurt.

It really is a childish fashion to believe the only way to have stakes is for the characters to be hurt and killed like:
  • Having loved ones be killed or hurt
  • Having the city you protect be destroyed
  • Having someone take something precious from you(Doesn't even need to be a person, an inanimate device is enough)
Etc, etc.

Like Kamen Rider Build had the main Cast only truly drop off at the end of the series and most of the stakes wasn't even the characters dying but everyone else and/or the villains getting closer to their goals.
I think people put too much on the characters getting hurt or dying = stakes which explains why storylines are such shit these days.
 

Not really? It's kinda weird as most franchises surprisingly doesn't touch on the occult as much as you think. Even the most well known, Aliester Crowley, is not even remotely used despite how infamous he is and it's not like his family stops people from using him in any way(FGO explicitly has that issue with 2 Servants that are coming to NA this year precisely due to their families and estate(George Milines and J.Edgar Hoover) making saying who they are impossible).
So I guess for most authors, they just get glazed over.
 
It's doubly confusing because even in the OG seasons, the only characters who ever died were Digimon and they came back to life by the nature of how Digimon work, which is true of basically every Digimon season except Tamers. The only true human deaths (that weren't in flashback) were both villains in Oikawa and Kurata.

This didn't stop ANY of those seasons from having stakes.

The argument that makes more sense is Ghost Game largely being a MOTW format show until right near the end but that's just a subjective thing at that point. This isn't Young Hunters, a season which sold itself on being a crossover and then wasted most of its run-time on filler before actually getting to what was advertised.

Ghost Game is its own thing where the premise is largely based on the scary shit that can happen when Digimon stumble into our world, weather through misunderstandings or because the Digimon is genuinely evil. Frankly that is absolutely fine for the series to be mostly that if that's what they're going for, as long as the characters (including the Digimon) are likable and/or interesting which they are, and as long as the scenarios are suitably varied (which is the impression I've gotten).
 
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