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Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

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Caldust said:
I think he’s scum or the town stump.
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So by omissions n you think he could be scum without stump

Next question - how does scum without possession of a role hint at it Day 1 in a 30p game, claim after only a couple more claims, and do all of the above in full confidence without risking cc
 
Ratchet said:
Also my point on Flower's push Poyser wasn't that her case was garbage, but that it didn't track as a genuine piece of analysis. It's similar to Evans in that I argue he, too, came into the thread with an agenda and angle to push. That's the part that makes them scum, not the quality of the arguments themselves.
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No, its a garbage point because it assumes townies go and do in depth analysis before they make a point in the thread. Obviously they dont, they go off memory and things they feel from past games
 
The reason why Flower's push doesn't strike me as genuine analysis is because she first cited a trend that she can't really believe - to get there she'd have to arbitrarily ignore the recent evidence that goes against the idea for no reason other than to make the trend fit. That's not an actual thought process - you identify a trend by noticing a pattern that applies exclusively to certain games, you don't notice it as scum leaning when you have evidence of it happening as town too. I've been pretty explicit about this point and that it's not about her conclusion itself, not sure how you got what you did from my posts unless you're selectively reading them.
 
Poyser said:
No, its a garbage point because it assumes townies go and do in depth analysis before they make a point in the thread. Obviously they dont, they go off memory and things they feel from past games
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You haven't actually parsed my point at all have you?
 
As for Gram's claim, scum stumps are not something I remember having seen before. Probably in a Smark game, anything can happen in one of those
 
Grammaton said:
Stfu lmao

I asked for no protection because I don’t need it, it ain’t that complicated

if you felt at the time I was softing pgo, didn’t you think to ask for clarification given how dangerous it is????
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Why would I do that lol
 
Ratchet said:
The reason why Flower's push doesn't strike me as genuine analysis is because she first cited a trend that she can't really believe - to get there she'd have to arbitrarily ignore the recent evidence that goes against the idea for no reason other than to make the trend fit. That's not an actual thought process - you identify a trend by noticing a pattern that applies exclusively to certain games, you don't notice it as scum leaning when you have evidence of it happening as town too. I've been pretty explicit about this point and that it's not about her conclusion itself, not sure how you got what you did from my posts unless you're selectively reading them.
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For posterity.
 
Ultra said:
So by omissions n you think he could be scum without stump

Next question - how does scum without possession of a role hint at it Day 1 in a 30p game, claim after only a couple more claims, and do all of the above in full confidence without risking cc
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Yes I think he is the scum without stump.

1. His role hint is redundant, since he was telling porkies with it.

2. Scum used a role cop/tracker/watcher N1, know their own roles and there are claimed roles out there. So they have a pretty good lay of the land, not that stump is a hugely common role. Also possible that scum have fakes too.

3. I fake claimed Stump in Xmas Mafia 2018 as serial killer and he counter claimed me despite him being scum himself, without knowing I was scum or faking. So even then, we have evidence of him making a higher risk move as scum claiming stump in an Xmas MafiaZ
 
problem with the sky claim is i cant really work out why sky would be target for manipulation/blocking and I cant really work out why gram would be targeted with anything after what he softed

feels like it might be too early to try and make sense of it tho
 
are we going to address that we have a guy that can barely post because of his PR and Skybox thought not to use her role on him?
 
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