AllForOne
Illustrious
Does this put the two characters in question at the high end of Universe+? I think we were using baseline universal up until now.
Baseline universal first came in the fight with Nemesis relatively early, although that took two crystals. I think that once you get to Eternal Sailor Moon level it's universe+ and then Sailor Cosmos and Chaos would be high universe+.
OrlandoSky
Paramount
What's the difference between the two?
One is stronger than the other
OrlandoSky
Paramount
har har In what way? What line is drawn between universe+ and high universe+ level exactly?
I think the way he means is anything above baseline universe level i.e. larger than our universe up until an infinitely sized universe which is the final endpoint of the "+"
If Goku is Universe+ then I'd wager that Beerus may be Mid tier since he's above Goku and Vegeta respectively
Just an example
Just an example
AllForOne
Illustrious
Is universe 7 infinite or finite?
I recall only the World of Void being the former, but we don't accept that as a feat apparently?
OrlandoSky
Paramount
Neither are really treated as infinite. “Infinite is just flowery dialogue used to describe universes/realities in fiction
AllForOne
Illustrious
So you're referring to that one statement of Universe 7 being endless? Cause that's the only time I think they've used that language. Can't remember exactly where they said it though.
So they are finite universes?
AllForOne
Illustrious
Another interesting change. The "lighting up the universe" calc is now null and void. Both the Kodansha and Eternal volumes reference it as spreading across just the galaxy.
Crazy how the fan translations use "universe" explicitly there, but not in any of the other more important feats / statements.
...Now I'm curious what lighting up the milky way galaxy will come out as.
Crazy how the fan translations use "universe" explicitly there, but not in any of the other more important feats / statements.
...Now I'm curious what lighting up the milky way galaxy will come out as.
afaik we treat the DB universe as finite but larger than our observable universe
AllForOne
Illustrious
Sailor Cosmos, Lambda Usagi, and Sailor Chaos via scaling should be superior then. High Universal+ on a static universe model.
Galaxia, Eternal SM, and everybody else remains outclassed heavily in the stat departments.
Mondak
Preeminent
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Triple Accel 555
Preeminent
AllForOne
Illustrious
This seems like a case of flowery language to me. It dances around the concept of infinity, which it should just outright say. (you could try and check the raw japanese to see if the kanji are different. Translations can matter in these types of situations)The Daizenshuu does say that the universe is endless with innumerable galaxies.
Plus, if the universe was infinite, how can they travel by ship to universe six?
Mondak
Preeminent
Ehh, it could just be flowery language.
But the same Daizenshuu does use the word infinite when referencing the universe the Kaio govern
So that's twice in the Daizenshuu the universe has been called endless or infinite.
And yeah, it's weird how they were able to fly outside the universe. Don't have an answer for that one
