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Ratchet said:
Most of the posts won't be half as substantial as you'll be used to - you'll just have to skim over them. Given your experience though, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that your entrance being to say you won't be around straight away an be fairly wolfy in it's own right.
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Didn't even know the game had started until I got home. Shouldn't be too much of an issue to keep up after tonight (irl)
 
Magic said:
You repeatedly said afterwards that it's town v town and to drop it. My issue isn't with the "if bpd is town leave fang", it's what you were saying as it continued to drag on. Bpd didn't even drop it after that initial post and yet you got more confident calling it town v town.

If I'm wrong you can show me.
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i wanted them to read each other town and move on as i scum read gram/cp.

i dont like BPD's continued replies to fang, but i dont think its scummy outright cuz he does it as town too

ive asked BPD to look elsehwere. there is plenty of content for him to do so

i think u have taken my lack of scum read on BPD + posts where i tell BPD to get off fang if hes town as me town reading him. my rational for those posts to BPD is i wanna cut the town vs town in thread. i identified fang town, and i want BPD to stop IF he is also town.

to cut this short, right now i am leaning town on BPD. earlier i had him more toward null.
 
Ratchet said:
Right, so your language towards X in particular was rather aggressive - frequent profanity etc. I've seen you respond like this when questioned, usually insulting the intelligence of the one pressuring you, but rarely have I seen you do it just because. So my first thought was "has someone is scum chat told him to be more aggressive with his language and posts, and this is his way of doing that?". Basically, it didn't feel natural to me. See below quotes for examples:



There was one more but I can't find it on ISO. Basically it just felt jarring to me, you even have a post talking about you being worked up (which you refuted) so I don't think my interpretation that it was unnatural is unfair.

Which reminds me I need to check who that was in response to - if its Ekko he would have basically seen exactly what I did, so him not mentioning that is a pretty bad look.
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We have new rules about the level of how aggressive we can get and the whole balance with flaming or insulting other posters.
That kind of started with the last game that Craig hosted.

That said, while I was being aggressive with BPD and Magic, it was pretty controlled and directed I wasn't getting into a heated throwdown with either of them like in much earlier games. Also ignoring Ekko here for a moment who keeps trying to anchor me to town solely because he's going a roundabout way to say I was basically OMGUSing at both BPD and Magic (which isn't true), I took my time with interacting with the two people voting me. Either way I had a very practical reason with my votes, nothing about it was from my perspective, at least, 'faked', 'coached', or 'artificial". I focused on Magic for his reactions and response coming off defensive after BPD made all of 2 votes, aligned his vote at me with Magic and dipped off for over 30-40+ minutes before returning. As for Magic, he got my attention for imposing himself into the mix after BPD left when I was addressing how BPD felt off with his early posts, so I could (and still potentially still do) see agency between the two of them.

You also saw how I played as scum in Melkor's game before this and Craig's.
Do you think my early posts parallel that when I was the scum duelist in that game?
 
Magic said:
Disagree on whicker, agree on ratchet. Whicker accusation against me doesn't make sense when he also didn't like aurelian. There's no consistency in that train of thought.
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ah you might be right there actually. going to vote?
 
Aurelian said:
We have new rules about the level of how aggressive we can get and the whole balance with flaming or insulting other posters.
That kind of started with the last game that Craig hosted.
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This has nothing to do with anything I've said.
Aurelian said:
That said, while I was being aggressive with BPD and Magic, it was pretty controlled and directed I wasn't getting into a heated throwdown with either of them like in much earlier games. Also ignoring Ekko here for a moment who keeps trying to anchor me to town solely because he's going a roundabout way to say I was basically OMGUSing at both BPD and Magic (which isn't true), I took my time with interacting with the two people voting me. Either way I had a very practical reason with my votes, nothing about it was from my perspective, at least, 'faked', 'coached', or 'artificial". I focused on Magic for his reactions and response coming off defensive after BPD made all of 2 votes, aligned his vote at me with Magic and dipped off for over 30-40+ minutes before returning. As for Magic, he got my attention for imposing himself into the mix after BPD left when I was addressing how BPD felt off with his early posts, so I could (and still potentially still do) see agency between the two of them.
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I don't really know why you feel the need to make this defence to an accusation I've moved off of almost as quickly as I made it. I suppose you could just be interested in establishing your thought process which is fine, but given you asked me the question then surely you should actually comment on the quality of the answer?

Aurelian said:
You also saw how I played as scum in Melkor's game before this and Craig's.
Do you think my early posts parallel that when I was the scum duelist in that game?
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I haven't gone back to conosre and I probably won't - I misread you in that game and I don't think you'd even agree that as scum you'd post exactly the same way.
 
Magic said:
Didn't you accuse me of going after aurelian and making him out to be scummy? This is before your accusations yet you dislike the same post I went onto question.
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The main issue is that this is how you approached last game as scum. Very first page you pinged Melkor's opener and then didn't really let up on him until after he was lynched and your team had control of the game.
 
Ratchet said:
Alright, so here is the context:





You mention shutting off fluff posting and beginning your infamous tunnel kekko-yumi whatever, I'm saying I don't think you believe you're applying genuine pressure or concern to him. If you say otherwise then sure I guess, I think it's a silly statement, plausibly an ingenuine one too.
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uhh yes my post stands?

i dont care if hes concerned or not, i didnt say that. BPD asked if hes good, i said hes probably not good. now that u mention concerned, he shud be concerned too, regardless of alignment. hes the leading wagon rn!


im living rent free in his head given his immediate response was to proceed to vote me and advocate for a policy lynch as though it will be protown regardless of the outcome, without establishing how so

mind u cp just came from hosting a game where town was sweeped without me playing (only for like 5% of it), so i dont see the relation between keeping me out of the game and increasing town's win chances as he's trying to sell
 
Ekkologix said:
i dont care if hes concerned or not, i didnt say that. BPD asked if hes good, i said hes probably not good. now that u mention concerned, he shud be concerned too, regardless of alignment. hes the leading wagon rn!
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Okay, enough sophistry - what does "not good" mean in this context, if not being in relation to his level of concern?
Ekkologix said:
im living rent free in his head given his immediate response was to proceed to vote me and advocate for a policy lynch as though it will be protown regardless of the outcome, without establishing how so
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Ekkologix said:
mind u cp just came from hosting a game where town was sweeped without me playing (only for like 5% of it), so i dont see the relation between keeping me out of the game and increasing town's win chances
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This is just nonsense. From what you know of CP, there is no way you believe as Town he would see last game and think "wow, town really needed Ekko here" given his opinion of your ability. You're attempting to frame something as scummy that is entirely driven by his personality.

Vote: Ekko
 
#devilsadvocate tho bear in mind he has no clue about fang's meta aside from last game, so some of fang's posts can come as scummy to him when they r perfectly natural

calling BPD frozen off of a response to a random vote will sound ingenuine to a player from MU
 
Ratchet said:
Okay, enough sophistry - what does "not good" mean in this context, if not being in relation to his level of concern?


This is just nonsense. From what you know of CP, there is no way you believe as Town he would see last game and think "wow, town really needed Ekko here" given his opinion of your ability. You're attempting to frame something as scummy that is entirely driven by his personality.

Vote: Ekko
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not good as in not okay. no bueno


i didnt say that either, ur putting alot in my mouth
i said he hasnt established whats the relation between me being outside the game and town winning. i didnt say that i must be in the game for town to win

bad and sad!
 
I doubt Ekko and CP are aligned on the same team at the very least- this is more from Ekko's posting than CP's, who actually seems fairly apathetic so far. Might have to rethink this as day goes on.
 
Ekkologix said:
not good as in not okay. no bueno


i didnt say that either, ur putting alot in my mouth
i said he hasnt established whats the relation between me being outside the game and town winning. i didnt say that i must be in the game for town to win

bad and sad!
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He thinks you're a bad player and a negative presence for town. You know he thinks this. So you being gone tracks with his statement. You brought up the game he hosted which has nothing to do with his opinion of you as it's not like it has reversed.
 
as in i said cp hasent established why town will have MORE chances to win with me outside the game, considering what happened last game

i didnt say cp thinks that me being there wud make town win, as in me being there increases town chances to win. i am arguing that me being in the game does not decrease the chances as seen via last game

u r a native speaker, u shud be able to tell the difference
 
Ratchet said:
This has nothing to do with anything I've said.
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Just clarifying.
Ratchet said:
I don't really know why you feel the need to make this defence to an accusation I've moved off of almost as quickly as I made it. I suppose you could just be interested in establishing your thought process which is fine, but given you asked me the question then surely you should actually comment on the quality of the answer?
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Don't see how that is defensive on my part but I'm not inclined enough to be invested to debate this that much. As you said, it was more for explaining the process and more importantly to clear the house given I don't like how much Ekko has tried to explain me. As you said its more my own pathos since I have an almost compulsive nature to respond back to someone regardless.
Ratchet said:
I haven't gone back to conosre and I probably won't - I misread you in that game and I don't think you'd even agree that as scum you'd post exactly the same way.
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I see. Though to an extent I do agree yes with you--I also frequently did largely whatever I want and played lackadaisical throughout it until Ekko tried to turn things around in late day 3 or day 4.
 
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