Game Ranked Skyrim Mafia

[The X]

We got time and votes to spare here. It doesn't hurt getting a few options in the table.

 

[Chuck]

Side comment. This isn't role madness, is it? Since there're basically no WUs

 

[Ratchet]

From Gram vs Ratchet i like Gram much more.

Why?

@Magic you liked some of my posts here but are voting whicker, what's your verdict? @Ratchet I'm guessing you're waiting to hear from alco before getting on another direction but curious to hear from you as well. @Grammaton too

On Mango? I'm fine with the direction and will probably move there if Alco goes nowhere.

 

[Grammaton]

@Grammaton @Chuck come vote Ratchet.

I started the ratchet wagon m8

 

[Grammaton]

FWIW Whicker woukd be my other choice so pretty good with BPD

 

[The X]

I started the ratchet wagon m8

I don't know where vores are!

 

[Aersoldorf]

Ratchet's posted a lot of other stuff in this game, any thoughts about any of it?

What are your thoughts on them?
I don't think you believe this at all - strike 1.
Alright, this is more in line with town Fang.
You're not saying anything here though, do you have any actual leanings towards that or...?
I quoted this initially in disagreement but I'm actually okay with it having caught up, that said I don't like you settling on a policy lynch this early instead of just ignoring Ekko.
+1 to Town Fang, excellent.
Why do you think so? I want to give your some points for having the same process as I did initially but that will depend on your answer to be honest.
No, you won't be doing this. I don't know why you need to even mention bullying a player into subbing out honestly.
Agreed.

Dear oh dear.
Ekko you clearly see something similar to what I did in Fang's posting - you read it differently but the idea was that his entrance was more aggressive than usual...

We apparently identified the same thing and went in opposite directions with it. Why are you not showing any consideration for this?

You realise I flipped my read like 2 posts later?

I'm confused as to what your angle is on my behaviour - I entered with that post, and then when I carried on reading I immediately flipped it around. It just seems very strange to me to pick that up as if it had any effect on anything - if I'm trying to undermine Fang them surely I do it in a way that actually attempts to undermine him?

I'm claiming it's genuine because 1 - I know it is, and 2 - I also know that there is no actual agenda you can ascribe to it.

I really wish that when I quote a post that it would also include any quotes that the person making the quoted post had quoted in their post. Makes explaining things a lot easier.

In the first Ratchet post I quoted, Fang asked Ratchet for some reads about specific people. Rather than answer the question, Ratchet simply turned the question back at Fang and said 'What are your thoughts on them?' Later in the phase, on a couple of instances in fact, Ratchet made posts to the effect that they expected people to answer them when they asked a question. Not only is this hypocritical, it's also something I see scum do all the time - make minimal reads to test the waters before committing to anything solid.

I also didn't like the fact that Ratchet (with their 2nd post of the game) claims that Fang seems to have been coached on what to say/how to act. Then very quickly makes posts that say 'Alright, this is more in line with town Fang' and '+1 to Town Fang, excellent.'

Ratchet admits that they did a 180 on that read but

You realise I flipped my read like 2 posts later?

Didn't like a 180 that quickly. Made a big deal out of potential coaching and then reversed face when called out on it. Later claimed that it was a 'genuine' read change, but it felt manufactured to me. I'm halfway through my ISO of them so will post more lately but those were the main things that stuck out at me thus far.

 

[Ratchet]

This is a pretty good explanation on why Ratchet is probably wolf. The way he latched onto arguments with Ekko and Gram didn't really help solve anything or progress the game forward; they were made seemingly for the sake of content. I continue to read Ekko as town up to the point in the game where this post was made and I just don't understand why Ratchet thinks Ekko is wolf with moderate confidence.

I think I've explained why... several times over.

Tell you what, you flip me, and then sheep my read tomorrow - deal? That way I don't have to play with you any longer than 1 day and you get your lynch.

 

[The X]

I think I've explained why... several times over.

Tell you what, you flip me, and then sheep my read tomorrow - deal? That way I don't have to play with you any longer than 1 day and you get your lynch.

I don't really think this game has been so unbearable on you that you should have this reaction, but okay. What are your reads?

 

[Grammaton]

I really wish that when I quote a post that it would also include any quotes that the person making the quoted post had quoted in their post. Makes explaining things a lot easier.

In the first Ratchet post I quoted, Fang asked Ratchet for some reads about specific people. Rather than answer the question, Ratchet simply turned the question back at Fang and said 'What are your thoughts on them?' Later in the phase, on a couple of instances in fact, Ratchet made posts to the effect that they expected people to answer them when they asked a question. Not only is this hypocritical, it's also something I see scum do all the time - make minimal reads to test the waters before committing to anything solid.

I also didn't like the fact that Ratchet (with their 2nd post of the game) claims that Fang seems to have been coached on what to say/how to act. Then very quickly makes posts that say 'Alright, this is more in line with town Fang' and '+1 to Town Fang, excellent.'

Ratchet admits that they did a 180 on that read but

Didn't like a 180 that quickly. Made a big deal out of potential coaching and then reversed face when called out on it. Later claimed that it was a 'genuine' read change, but it felt manufactured to me. I'm halfway through my ISO of them so will post more lately but those were the main things that stuck out at me thus far.

I think accuracy is important in these things, he didn’t reverse it when he was called out, he’d already reversed it by that point

My problem was that he tried to use a logical sleight of hand that as there would be no motive for him to do it, he must be innocent

 

[Penguini]

confused by the vote count, not going to lie.

 

[Ratchet]

In the first Ratchet post I quoted, Fang asked Ratchet for some reads about specific people. Rather than answer the question, Ratchet simply turned the question back at Fang and said 'What are your thoughts on them?'

This isn't true - he asked BPD, I just asked him the same question back.

 

[Chuck]

Why?

I don't keep quotes this time around. I felt like he asked good questions, like Fang coaching one for example and wasn't really satisfied with your responses. Vague af, i know. I can go back to it and quote stuff once i catch up

 

[Grammaton]

confused by the vote count, not going to lie.

How so?

 

[Magic]

@Chuck did you read my case on ekko and can you explain why you dislike it?

 

[Ratchet]

I don't really think this game has been so unbearable on you that you should have this reaction, but okay. What are your reads?

I don't like playing Mafia with you lately to be honest, and you're not the only player I feel this way towards. It's not fun and it's actually very frustrating.

So I'm not goi g to focus on the negative, but please understand that as of right now I'm trying to filter myself to not insult you, so I'm going to be curt with you.

I think Alco is scum. Beyond that, I have a scum lean on Mango and actually am in support of the Whicker direction too, though I should note that last game he was not town, so differences shouldn't be a smoking gun here.

I don't love what Asmo has been pushing so far. He has spent a lot of time explaining that he will be hereater and his angle on me doesn't really line up- just because you've seen someone do something as scum doesn't mean it's scummy. I'm trying to give him time to get into the game first.

I have you, Famg, Lethal and Charlie at Town. I am coming around to CP being Town, especially if Mango is scum. Magic null, Gram null, Ekko close to there hut moving in the right direction. No read on T-Pein.

 

[Ratchet]

I don't keep quotes this time around. I felt like he asked good questions, like Fang coaching one for example and wasn't really satisfied with your responses. Vague af, i know. I can go back to it and quote stuff once i catch up

Well no you will do it now, what was the problem with my responses?

 

[Chuck]

@Chuck did you read my case on ekko and can you explain why you dislike it?

Where is it? Either didn't get to it yet or i skipped a page

 

[Chuck]

Well no you will do it now, what was the problem with my responses?

Ugh, and then you'll complain it takes to long for me to catch up.

Give me a sec, i'll get back to it.

 

[Magic]

@CraigPelton it was this sequence. in his first post he said he had identified aurelian and if bpd is town to drop it because he doesn't want TvT dragging down the thread. so in that post it was an 'if you're town', which is fair enough.

in the subsequent posts bpd continues arguing with aurelian/slight pushing him and yet it doesn't actually change ekko's thoughts whatsoever and he grows more adamant it's TvT. he's not even saying why he finds bpd town for any of this(until i asked) just repeatedly calling it TvT and saying it's bad. the progression for the read isn't there at all, there was nothing there that would make him think bpd is town nor does he mention anything yet he's stuck calling it TvT. from a town perspective id imagine there would be some progression there or at least a comment about why bpd looks town in the back and forth but he was just stuck on repeat.

then there's the leadership style he's inserted himself in. he's done better lately in games. on page 1 i asked him not to clog the thread. he said he hadn't been doing that in recent games. he then starts doing it, trying to take control and the reins, and being in the forefront saying he's going back to elden ring/GOT style(btw both of which weren't exactly great games by him from all accounts and i remember him and tpein just tunneling the fuck out of me as town in that game because i claimed a purple faction). as scum it makes sense for him to be more at the forefront to try to dictate the way day goes.

also just looking over his posts again i dont like how he just said gramm can go if he doesnt cooperate with him. he did the same with you and ratchet touched on this too. he knows that neither of you will cooperate with him and it isn't alignment indicative but it gives him an excuse to push you down the line for shit that doesn't actually give your alignment.


if anyone wants me to explain the whicker case i can do so as well.

i'll read back from like halfway through the thread from where i was, but i didn't find ratchet scummy and thought he looked town from where i was. his play here isn't really similar to what i saw from him in jkk.

@Chuck relevant quotes are in that post as well so id follow the post.