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Luka said:
FTR, Either Ratchet is town and presumably has a genuine read on Mango, or Ratchet is TMIing Mango. I don't think the interactions are w/w between the two, specifically Mango just sitting back and letting Ratchet defend him, while at the same time saying it blatnetly in thread that he thought Ratchet was his lawyer. Either way Mango is probably just town here.
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Why wouldn't scumgo sit back and let ratchet defend him tho?
 
Ratchet said:
@MagicI think the town reads thing is a fair point. If it's all the same, I'm going to withhold my read on Watson for now, I'd like to see her play naturally a bit longer before laying out where I am with her. Gad is one that I feel like I should have a read on but don't, and I don't think engaging directly will help with that.

Of what I haven't said, I think Luka is town. I actually like the Melkor direction on it's own merits, aside from that I think they've looked to establish a presence and a foothold with people where as scum I find them to be more likely to try and avoid that.

I like Polar Bear so far, think their point on Ichigo was fair. Also liked his reaction to my vote, didn't really try to spin anything from it and just took it wholesale.

As mentioned, I like Tweet, Ruffles and Mango for town.

I think your second point is a bit weak, and it's part of the larger issue I'm having with you this game. Plainly, I cannot get on the same page with you at all. In this one, you take an isolated example where I state a preference of mine, and act like it's something I've followed every game, when you could grab any number of games from here and see me walk back on that very sentiment as town. So I don't understand why that's what your point of reference is, to me it seems like you just referenced behaviour where I've done differently as town to suggest that there is some motive at play for me doing so here, and I don't buy that as a genuine thought process at all.

To establish a baseline for myself here, I was expecting a few days break before this game started so my intent is to play more into observation than driving anything. With the activity so far it hasn't really panned out that way, but if you're looking for me to be super proactive in this game then you're going to be disappointed. I still have about 1/4 of the town found so far so it's not like I'm not doing anything or not being proactive.

That's about as charitable as I can be to your point of view here. I think you fully understand that my vote on you was not a vote to lynch but to accompany stakes, in that sense with the second point you raised I think you've been putting the cart before the horse, not for the first time in this game. I'd appreciate it if you would actually make an effort to shore up where I'm apparently not understanding instead of just calling me dense or thick, believe it or not it doesn't really help me read you any better (or worse, I suppose).

Nothing really else to add to this, think I want to let the thread play out a bit more.
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MangoSenpai said:
I don't know, I am not buying that narrative you're selling.

But by all means, if later down the line you have more evidence to support the narrative where Ratchet is doing what he's doing to be scum driven I might give it a re-evaluation, but as things stand with this discussion in a vaccuum, I am unfortunately finding myself on the side of Ratchet here.

And that is not because he's "defending" me, but rather he is pointing out things that I agree with.
I am of course biased here, but I find it hard to see why Ratchet would bother pointing out these minute details as scum when he could instead build upon your angle to create a mislynch down the line.

The argument against this would obviously be that since Ratchet is an "expert" in reading me, once he reads me wrong I would know something was up.
But at that point I would have to fight an uphill battle versus Ratchet who alleges that he can read me quite well, to prove my innocense. I think Ratchet would have a great advantage in this scenario.
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Why the defending in quotes like you haven't previously stated that it was a clear defense?
 
Magic said:
im not really pushing ratchet. ratchet is pushing me. i accomplished what i wanted which was to get something going for the game. by all means that is what i did and people are involved and providing reads and analysis now. you can say that wasn't my intention and anyone that knows me would you tell it's often my objective. outside of that, there's a lot of WG players that just live and die by ratchet's alignment. his last two scum games had people unwilling to really consider him a scum player even when pushed by others. some of you are far too comfortable town reading a player that often dupes you and you lose to.
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This is probably villagery, Magic is both really kind of unscared(?) of ratchet here despite ratchet being, aknowledgely a good town player and is presumably intentionally provoking him. Only way that's not villagery is if the reasoning was made up, but given despite my constant prodding they never directly called Ratchet wolf I don't think it is. Also, bringing yourself to the center of attetnioin. Quick Q on this though, what do you think Ratchet is? Do you just have them as null here, or town leaning, or what?
 
Magic said:
im not caught anywhere, im engaging others to get stances from players and see what kind of thoughts this give. i can assure you im not working around some master plan to get you sussed in the opening pages of the game which is frankly stupid. youre not an oblivious player and yet youre quite acting like it.
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Like, the only thing I'm not sure about is why do you say statements like the bolded. That makes it pretty clear IMO you at the very least scum lean Ratchet, yet you're just sitting there not doing anything to act on it.
 
Grammaton said:
Fair enough, not a pattern I’d picked up on myself but the fact that this would be relatively easily to verify makes me think it’s probably a legitimate take
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It's probably real, the one thing I remember from Watson is that she's really nice! The other thing I remember unrelated is that she wolf cased me last second in a game where I was town read by her prior after an ISO, causing me to flip V and it allowed her to justify a vote on me.
 
Ruffles said:
I agree with your rationale, but I want to point out for the record that the voting to put pressure tactic isn't very effective on me

Like I can guarantee you, if it gets to the point where no one is willing to believe me, I will probably just start saying nonsense to entertain myself while I await death
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You should claim cop when it gets to that stage. It's 100% effective.
 
Gadministraitor said:
Uh huh, what I'm saying is you clearly seemed to indicate that you were being defended before. Like Magic made a case and Ratchet was arguing it.
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I implied Ratchet was talking my case - yes

defending me? I mean if you want to be extremely pedantic - sure, but the thing is that it was not the main point, but rather a side dish
 
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