You quoted me lol and offered no input on the content of my post. Did you not mean to quote it or something?
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er, not really.
i told him he feels like he's being hard defended despite me not sussing him. that was me saying that's how he can fall into a pocket if you are scum. i never said you were defending him, i found the whole thing really a defense of yourself as youre smart enough to know the person i was suggesting could be scummy in the situation was yourself and not him.
you then said you weren't defending him, which ya i agreed with as i felt you were really defending yourself. i never meant to make it seem like you were defending him and that was the crux of the issue.
i wasn't really arguing, it was a question initially. one that seemed to go over mango's head but you seemingly understand as you get why i kept using the word meta and what it meant lol.
this is logical deduction. you don't operate in a realm of non-optimal play. i've seen this from you as both alignments. ive seen you suggest previously that there's harm in lynching stronger players in day 1 and the context, if my memory serves me right, was due to the players in that game.
similarly in a 26 player game where we will likely have a lot of inactives and people not providing enough content that can clear themselves id say you wouldn't consider people that are providing that level of content as a good direction because they will eventually self-resolve or give you enough information to solve whereas someone like cubey(no offense cubes) might not.
there is no real counter argument to this because it's both logical and optimal and again you play within this realm of optimal, logical play. the way you think isn't foreign to me, it doesn't go over my head like it goes over others, and to be quite blunt id say you and i have similar level of logical deduction and what makes sense. the difference tends to come down to me throwing that stuff in the wind because i feel like others are so far removed from it that it just doesn't apply to them(as in in an ideal game or world id play more similar to you but due to external factors i find it actually worse for me to do as people have such shit logic themselves).
again this is what ive noticed with you when youre scum(you go for optimal plays, ones that i recognize as optimal whereas ill go for a route i find more fun). we can also refer to lord melkor's one piece wano arc game where it was quite literally only you and i that both suggested how stupid going for 3 kills in a phase was and despite the results being favourable standing ground on it being a stupid course of action.
im reading back and just picked a random post to quote to get back to where i was reading back from but i realized no one is voting and decided to say it then and there.
it wasn't accidental but it was meant to be in general opposed to telling you that you need to be proactive in getting everyone to vote(rather that i want people to start voting for wagons even if they're unsure).
to clarify this, i meant youre up in arms over it because you would have successfully deduced that the suspicion was actually being directed at you opposed to at him hence why you cared so much in the first place whereas mango felt you cared so much to defend him and youre agreed upon statements.
btw this is would be more scummy than not. it isn't a dumb quip, polar is asking as he will clearly find it suspicious if someone says theyll be active than not. im not sure youd pick up on that, but subconsciously you put yourself as less suspicion/look at me less than the counterpart(aurelian) by saying youve done more than him.
the only reason i have this as null is because newbie town can sometimes play more towards just trying to clear themselves/make themselves look good to survive another day type thing like scum do.
does it change your read? on a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is the worst how much did that quote impact your read?
do you find mango more town because of it?
then i can answer your question.
@Sigismund give some reads or we gotta lynch you pal. it's the only way.
why specifically them?
I'm not sure this really holds when taken in context, because you qualified it by saying that Mango didn't even need defending. I feel like if the point was to say that "Ratchet's objection is because it lies with him, not you", there are many better and clearer ways to say that, and that you could have just said as much when I first asked you about it instead of telling me I was being thick.
If you say so. I'm not going to argue that it's scummy of you because it's not, but I definitely feel like it's another notch in you making communication this game more difficult than it needs to be.
I don't think you'll find a single game where I express this sentiment. It's not impossible because maybe I have, but generally I say I don't vote certain players Day 1 because I prefer to let them play. Just because it's more fun that way. It does help with reading them too as sometimes you'll have poor Day 1s and longer game time gives you more to analyse, but that's not really the first consideration. I think you're assuming that, because we share similar sentiments, the logic must overlap completely.
Nothing else to add to the rest.
the only thing i got out of it is what luka basically luka pointed out.
ruffles seems to respond when talked to or about(bunny ears when he was just lurking). i have no way of knowing what this means if anything.
@Ruffles pick someone to vote.
I think Aurelian has been changing his meta in recent games - before I had him as pretty easy to find out as scum - he used to be more passive and less headstrong as scum than town.
As of page 25 of this thread I do not recall anything from him warranting a town read.
There was a question in that post too.
Why Ichigo? He looks willing to engage so far to me.
Where are you at Melkor reads wise?
Ichigo is Michelle?!
I gave reads like 4 posts ago - I want to catch up before updating them.
Was denkst du?
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