Wait you’re trying to argue you think tpein is town as well?
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Wait you’re trying to argue you think tpein is town as well?
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
What you're selling is that Mafia has 3x kill power if Ratchet is mafia.
Otherwise he's just SK by your world view.
But that leaves still one unnacounted for death, so you'll have to explain that too.
BECAUSE ITS A RANKED GAME AND DUPLICATE ROLES ARE TRASH AND JUST PUNISH TOWN FOR NO REASON WHICH FLOWER KNOWS SO UNLESS SHE DECIDED TO BE A TRASH HOST THERES PROBABLY SOMETHING GOING ON
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
I think it is a world where it makes sense yeah, at least setup wise - and I haven't seen anything from his play that pings me particularly scummy either - he just appears to be T-pein to me.
But if you want to argue otherwise that's fine
I think flipping him will give insight to the whole thing anyway.
I’ve said I don’t believe ratchet is mafia
My likeliest theory is that he’s an Indy with a wonky win condition. I don’t know what that is but it would need to be something where he leaves the game early because his counterclaim doesn’t really give him the mileage needed to make it to endgame.
Well actually in this game it probably does cause of level of muppetry but point stands
You can't equate a large player game on OLF to a setup from WG, it really doesn't work that way. Someone else can explain (fucking politely, thank you) to Mango better than I can with what restrictions and no no's Ranked has -- I'm an NFer, so I couldn't tell you specifics.
Magic
Resplendent
He would only be indy and there's no reason to flip that any time soon
I don't claim just to be poisoned, it's literally in the night 1 write up.
Well actually if his agenda is to blast town players then there’s a pretty good reason - point is we don’t know
Are you satisfied with his explanation for killing rugrat?
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
Okay, so explain it then.
Why are we seeing 3 kills and a poison?
What is the world where this makes sense?
I'm waiting. Whether it is you or Lethal or anyone else - you seem so sure that there cannot be 2 vigs.
The reason why it took so long to post this was because I was gonna quote a post - but either I am getting a mandela effect or I'm mixing you with someone else who said it was possible with 2 vigs - either way - can't find it.
Psychic
Yennefer
I just took a quick glimpse at some of the voting patterns. Noticed that Tweet and Ichigo seemed to have the same voting pattern. Maybe in the same scum team?
As for ratchet he plays - given there's only mild assertiveness this game where he'd usually be going even harder on Ultra but remains semi-cordial - like an indie Ratchet imo
Less assertivenessw with more neutral, clean cut solving. I feel he's been meditating by being cordial which he tends to do as indie out of self-pres.
For him to be scum outright is just cheesy and a calculation that is wildly dependent on luck and confidence he would gain thread control and blind trust. But the risks outweighs the rewards there, I can't see scum!Ratchet doing this but he's also done crazy shit I didn't expect before. it's more than likely he's indie and explains the claim
Less assertivenessw with more neutral, clean cut solving. I feel he's been meditating by being cordial which he tends to do as indie out of self-pres.
For him to be scum outright is just cheesy and a calculation that is wildly dependent on luck and confidence he would gain thread control and blind trust. But the risks outweighs the rewards there, I can't see scum!Ratchet doing this but he's also done crazy shit I didn't expect before. it's more than likely he's indie and explains the claim
Magic
Resplendent
There is a world where this is true but it is neither fair nor truly functional. You're also not including day lynches. Wiping 75% of the game in 2 day phases seems absolutely bonkers but again I won't deny there is a world this could be true. This would be my first double vig game ever so take that for what you will in regards to fairness.
Psychic
Yennefer
Clearly, in that is what he clearly flipped.
It’s a far lesser crime to give mafia/indies too much killing power than it is to give town an exact duplicate power role because it completely compromises the day phases where town have agency. Quicker you understand this, the better
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
Well even if you strike the 2 vigs the fact stands - we have 1 vig, 1 SK (likely), 1 poisoner and scum - that is still a maximum of 4 kills per day
Poisoner can be negated with heal, so you could argue that's 3 reliable kills and 1 unreliable one.
So it is just 1 kill less - and so by that I don't see how this seems so unlikely - esp with a bp townie
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
5 kills per day is the hypothetical maximum yes - and that was intentionally disregarding lynches which I specified.
Assuming both Ratchet and LM has 3x each, and with probably the knowledge that 2vigs is a foreign concept they could've accounted for the likelyhood one of them got yeeted (which might be a stretch I'll concur)
I don't think Ratchet Specified if he had 3x to be fair, I'd have to look back, but he has a lot of posts and the search function here sucks major butt
Did you poison me @Hans Tweetenberg I know you Germans are a vengeful people, kweh.
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