Magic
Resplendent
They did irrational wifom all game Though.
I mean they could have literally saved a teammate, killed a townie, and won the game with ultra Still alive so I don't get it either but ya know
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I mean they could have literally saved a teammate, killed a townie, and won the game with ultra Still alive so I don't get it either but ya know
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
GG to the winners
Also I laughed when you summarized my conclusion about Ultra, but still thought he was town @Dr_Professor83
I'm happy with my performance either one way.
Also I laughed when you summarized my conclusion about Ultra, but still thought he was town @Dr_Professor83
I'm happy with my performance either one way.
Mr. Reloaded
Cause a pirate is free
They did but the problem with trying to see rationality in irrationality is exactly that - there’s no pattern
Kurosaki Ichigo
Soul reaper
I made the right vote in the end.
Too bad I couldn’t convince anyone.
Gad was my scum read as well, I couldn’t think at a solve with him alive.
Players who can't play should let someone else in their place.
Dr_Professor83
Professional Troll
I know that was your main issue. But a lot of stuff that didn’t have anything to do with that bc it had been days ago drove Gram mad still lol.
It’s the neurotic elements that I think are the issue lol. And I’m probably never not gonna be a hot mess lol.
Magic
Resplendent
Er, I don't think siding against your teammates is smart mate. You would have been apart my poe pretty quickly if I was alive as I brought up in the Mason chat your bussing meta to gram, which you did here too.
Ive actually power-wolfed more lately nyaa
Dr_Professor83
Professional Troll
I take it at face value lol but I have bad news, many of the ways I was frustrating here I’m subject to be frustrating in those ways again lol
These aren’t things I’m being hard on myself on. Just worried about incompatibility. There’s nothing “wrong” with oil for having trouble mixing with water or vice versa lol
there was also the risk of haza getting hammered if town was swayed so be careful with your vote endgame next time luka
Magic
Resplendent
I mean I still think you should reread those phases. It isn't logic that drives you to your conclusions.
But I disagree
You have some warped perspective of yourself that I don't think anyone really feels frustrated by, much like my own
The only advice I'd give you is work on self-depreciation and to trust yourself more to become an effective town leader and in the future collaborate without feeling the need to fall back on delegating to others
This game was a bit strange though because the play in the beginning was so unique so your nightmares came true
But they don't always
Everyone gets frustrated, it's human.
Dr_Professor83
Professional Troll
I might when they don’t upset me to read them and if I’m planning to play enough more mafia games to hone my craft lol.
Just stop overthinking. You had the right answer and there was solid proof that the scums were just scum, but you and most others talked yourselves out of it way too often. It happens, but overthinking and too much talking loses games. I had to learn it in the game on MU when we had the scums nailed and people almost talked themselves out of their solves. We still won, but only because a player took the helm and just pushed through.
Well played from that position @RDK. I think you deserved a HM especially for getting Town to think Luka was the SK over Jag, without actually counter claiming. Given the position of your slot when you subbed in it's seriously impressive you got to survive the whole game. @Luka Good start from you, wish you kept the WIM up but if you play more like early game you'll be fine. Well played and GG.
The dead chat is now nuked so all the evidence has gone, but I have issues with the host's biases here - I don't believe no MVP is fair for this game and it's purely down to scum winning which the host didn't want. As some won't see it, the host is furious at me in particular because they said they felt bad about people complaining about two vigilante's being a thing, and instead of holding the ones making said complaints accountable for that, they said it was my fault for giving them the option to complain about that. Several people have told her how insane that position is and her response was to delete the dead chat. Also included in that dead chat was the host flagrantly rooting for the town to beat scum, and also threaten to not process perfectly valid actions for unclear reasons that I have my suspicions about. I think if Flower is to host a ranked game again, she needs a co-host to play a very active role because this was in many ways unacceptable.
Thanks for the game anyway, especially to @Fujishiro for stepping in and keeping the game running smoothly. @Chairman Nibel I don't know how busy you are but for me you were not active or present enough - maybe the size of the game was too daunting for your first one hosted but a host needs to have a good presence and also be proactive. Setup is mostly fine, there are a few too many clears for the town through role PMs and no roleblocker for the Mafia was pretty harsh, but I do agree that the detached scum member was a difficult solve and probably didn't need to be in here.
The dead chat is now nuked so all the evidence has gone, but I have issues with the host's biases here - I don't believe no MVP is fair for this game and it's purely down to scum winning which the host didn't want. As some won't see it, the host is furious at me in particular because they said they felt bad about people complaining about two vigilante's being a thing, and instead of holding the ones making said complaints accountable for that, they said it was my fault for giving them the option to complain about that. Several people have told her how insane that position is and her response was to delete the dead chat. Also included in that dead chat was the host flagrantly rooting for the town to beat scum, and also threaten to not process perfectly valid actions for unclear reasons that I have my suspicions about. I think if Flower is to host a ranked game again, she needs a co-host to play a very active role because this was in many ways unacceptable.
Thanks for the game anyway, especially to @Fujishiro for stepping in and keeping the game running smoothly. @Chairman Nibel I don't know how busy you are but for me you were not active or present enough - maybe the size of the game was too daunting for your first one hosted but a host needs to have a good presence and also be proactive. Setup is mostly fine, there are a few too many clears for the town through role PMs and no roleblocker for the Mafia was pretty harsh, but I do agree that the detached scum member was a difficult solve and probably didn't need to be in here.
Anyway, here's the idea behind the setup:
It was designed to be both faithful to the flavour and balanced. The scum team had 5+1 members. And while the team had a way to know their traitor he had no way of knowing who they were. That was to make coordination a bit harder for them, but also ensured they wouldn't target their traitor by mistake. It also fit the flavour as Zahard only communicates via messages. The Rachel role was Survivor light. Both the Town targets were confirmable and the scum team always needed to off them while the scum target being the traitor gives the Indie an incentive to hunt for them. The Serial had a Gunsmith to help Town if they were playing poorly while also having something to claim all while Town had a way to figure out it wasn't Town due to the existence of the Cop which can create doubts. Town was overall very low power. But they had the Redirector and a potential double Duelist (triple even as a Refiller existed) as well as a Vig with a potential Strongman (which funnily enough even triggered this game).
Remaining Roles:
T-Pein: King Zahard, 1x BP Godfather, Detached Messenger.
RDK: Ren, 1x Ninja 3x Roletracker
Luka: Träumerei, 1x Strongman Backup Godfather.
Town:
Ichigo: Yuri Zahard, Universal Backup turned 3x Vigilante 1x Master
Gram: Maschenny Zahard, Mason.
Prof: Luslec, 3x JK.
Lind: Lilial Zahard, Miller.
It was designed to be both faithful to the flavour and balanced. The scum team had 5+1 members. And while the team had a way to know their traitor he had no way of knowing who they were. That was to make coordination a bit harder for them, but also ensured they wouldn't target their traitor by mistake. It also fit the flavour as Zahard only communicates via messages. The Rachel role was Survivor light. Both the Town targets were confirmable and the scum team always needed to off them while the scum target being the traitor gives the Indie an incentive to hunt for them. The Serial had a Gunsmith to help Town if they were playing poorly while also having something to claim all while Town had a way to figure out it wasn't Town due to the existence of the Cop which can create doubts. Town was overall very low power. But they had the Redirector and a potential double Duelist (triple even as a Refiller existed) as well as a Vig with a potential Strongman (which funnily enough even triggered this game).
Remaining Roles:
T-Pein: King Zahard, 1x BP Godfather, Detached Messenger.
RDK: Ren, 1x Ninja 3x Roletracker
Luka: Träumerei, 1x Strongman Backup Godfather.
Town:
Ichigo: Yuri Zahard, Universal Backup turned 3x Vigilante 1x Master
Gram: Maschenny Zahard, Mason.
Prof: Luslec, 3x JK.
Lind: Lilial Zahard, Miller.
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