I forgot hasbro somehow has the license now instead of bandai so I guess it was only a matter of time
Transformers feats/discussion
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toy bios have insane lore
I love that just a small plastic graphic on g1 skyquake’s viewer is considered its own universal stream
I love that just a small plastic graphic on g1 skyquake’s viewer is considered its own universal stream
the power of all canon
literally everything is canon
if a toy bio blatantly contradicts the movie or something it’s not non canon it’s just straight up happened in another parallel universe
literally everything is canon
if a toy bio blatantly contradicts the movie or something it’s not non canon it’s just straight up happened in another parallel universe
https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/comiccontroverse.html
Wanted to get Controverse in here since I either completely forgot it existed or hadn't heard of it till now. A Hirofumi Ichikawa story about Primacron going on trial
lot of multiversal travelers show up here, Heinrad is there and so is a....fucking Kreon????
It sort of interestingly addresses the Singularity issue i.e. is Unicron a god or made by Primacron, at least in g1 Unicron is believed to be a god, they don't believe Primacron made him. This is interesting because in Japanese G1 the Primacron created Unicron very much is a god and part of the Singularity, while in American continuity he isn't.
they debate about it here
worth noting Quintessons (and this happened in the cartoon, but the multiverse wasn't fleshed out then) have knowledge of the wider multiverse and multiversal ranged tech. Their quantum lock on BT World was so strong the Alternity and Vector Prime weren't able to find it.
Primacron essentially implies that whatever the idea or source of transformers is he didn't create that, he just tapped into it. This lines up with AVP's explanation that his Unicron was based on some kind of information on the real deal (in America). It could also explain why Unicron as a mythological figure appears in universes that he doesn't exist in as a singularity, such as IDW (where, for example, it is never explained why the Alien weapon transforms to resemble Unicron when it was made by a culture that knows nothing about him)
Wanted to get Controverse in here since I either completely forgot it existed or hadn't heard of it till now. A Hirofumi Ichikawa story about Primacron going on trial
lot of multiversal travelers show up here, Heinrad is there and so is a....fucking Kreon????
It sort of interestingly addresses the Singularity issue i.e. is Unicron a god or made by Primacron, at least in g1 Unicron is believed to be a god, they don't believe Primacron made him. This is interesting because in Japanese G1 the Primacron created Unicron very much is a god and part of the Singularity, while in American continuity he isn't.
they debate about it here
worth noting Quintessons (and this happened in the cartoon, but the multiverse wasn't fleshed out then) have knowledge of the wider multiverse and multiversal ranged tech. Their quantum lock on BT World was so strong the Alternity and Vector Prime weren't able to find it.
Primacron essentially implies that whatever the idea or source of transformers is he didn't create that, he just tapped into it. This lines up with AVP's explanation that his Unicron was based on some kind of information on the real deal (in America). It could also explain why Unicron as a mythological figure appears in universes that he doesn't exist in as a singularity, such as IDW (where, for example, it is never explained why the Alien weapon transforms to resemble Unicron when it was made by a culture that knows nothing about him)
I’m assuming it just works the same way that singularities having wildly varying strengths in avatar form works, like how Bayformers Fallen is city block level but is very much a part of the gestalt entity, Vector Prime’s avatars are galaxy to universe level while his true form is much stronger etc
basically explains why Unicron’s individual showings are all over the place even though his high end feats are ridiculous
Forest Lee explained it as singularities conforming to the rules of the universes their avatars inhabit
The concept has been changed somewhat as more stories came about (weakened Unicron talking about being the collapse of the natural order etc) but as a general rule it works
basically explains why Unicron’s individual showings are all over the place even though his high end feats are ridiculous
Forest Lee explained it as singularities conforming to the rules of the universes their avatars inhabit
The concept has been changed somewhat as more stories came about (weakened Unicron talking about being the collapse of the natural order etc) but as a general rule it works
he is but it’s weird
he was pretty weakened and was able to just have his head tossed back into Triple Z Point by Ruination before it could merge with the planet
that comic IMO is better for gauging what individual avatars of Unicron/Primus can do but it’s sort of inconsistent power-wise because it bounces around from being serious to being a gag manga every other page
(Primus stopping the grand black hole on his own is probably a little easier to use and more consistent, basically the same level of feat in a less confusing context)
Arcee
Notorious
Besides Unicron, who do you think is the most evil Transformers villain?
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tvtropes.org It’s gotta be either idw Overlord or Tarn for me
let’s look at the scoreboard
Overlord
-tortured hundreds of prisoners and made them fight to the death
-mass execution of said unarmed prisoners, usually through dismemberment
-tore people apart with his bare hands
-ate people
Tarn
-literally ran a concentration camp
-also…carried out mass executions of unarmed prisoners in said concentration camp
-tortured hundreds if not countless people to death “for the decepticon cause”, sticking them in blenders, melting them, removing their brain but keeping them alive enough to chew on it etc
of course all of this is still megatron’s fault so really it would be him
if we’re talking kill counts though IDW Metalhawk technically killed 70 trillion people at one when he committed genocide against the Ammonites in dark cybertron
it was to save the universe but still
let’s look at the scoreboard
Overlord
-tortured hundreds of prisoners and made them fight to the death
-mass execution of said unarmed prisoners, usually through dismemberment
-tore people apart with his bare hands
-ate people
Tarn
-literally ran a concentration camp
-also…carried out mass executions of unarmed prisoners in said concentration camp
-tortured hundreds if not countless people to death “for the decepticon cause”, sticking them in blenders, melting them, removing their brain but keeping them alive enough to chew on it etc
of course all of this is still megatron’s fault so really it would be him
if we’re talking kill counts though IDW Metalhawk technically killed 70 trillion people at one when he committed genocide against the Ammonites in dark cybertron
it was to save the universe but still
Nova Prime is also a good contender, he didn’t just fuck up life for his own people he colonized countless other worlds and wiped them out during his “Expansion”
IDW Unicron is actually almost entirely his fault
IDW Unicron is actually almost entirely his fault
Arcee
Notorious
Good choices.
I was personally leaning toward the Scientist from Cyberverse, due to him destroying countless universes and putting all of their Soundwaves in an "And I Must Scream"-state.
Alternity Megatron, Shattered Glass Ultra Magnus and Devil Z are also some good candidates due to their attempts at multiversal destruction.
I was personally leaning toward the Scientist from Cyberverse, due to him destroying countless universes and putting all of their Soundwaves in an "And I Must Scream"-state.
Alternity Megatron, Shattered Glass Ultra Magnus and Devil Z are also some good candidates due to their attempts at multiversal destruction.
oh yeah in terms of sheer scale the universe/multiverse enders are hard to beat
I just mean characters who really reveled in making other people suffer
I just mean characters who really reveled in making other people suffer
actually i need to give special mention to this fuck Demus
Demus had a business selling cute animal robots to other aliens
Except what they actually are is lobotomized Transformers with beast alt-modes, and he sells them to alien species that hate transformers so that they can torture them and the creatures can’t fight back. He wanted to do this to Grimlock during his mentally impaired arc
Honestly amazing how fucked up this two chapter arc managed to be when it was dealing with the comic relief characters. MTMTE was so much better than Lost Light at tackling these subjects and idk how Roberts fell off from one story to the next
Demus had a business selling cute animal robots to other aliens
Except what they actually are is lobotomized Transformers with beast alt-modes, and he sells them to alien species that hate transformers so that they can torture them and the creatures can’t fight back. He wanted to do this to Grimlock during his mentally impaired arc
Honestly amazing how fucked up this two chapter arc managed to be when it was dealing with the comic relief characters. MTMTE was so much better than Lost Light at tackling these subjects and idk how Roberts fell off from one story to the next
DarkestGlory
Illustrious
Got a few questions.
1. How many universes are in a universal stream? I’m pretty sure it’s infinite but I haven’t kept up with trf cosmology in a while so I don’t recall. How many streams are in a cluster?
2. Can unicron destroy the astral plane? Infraspace? Unspace?
1. How many universes are in a universal stream? I’m pretty sure it’s infinite but I haven’t kept up with trf cosmology in a while so I don’t recall. How many streams are in a cluster?
2. Can unicron destroy the astral plane? Infraspace? Unspace?
a universal stream itself is more or less just a universe (tfwiki defines it as the origin point though) however each stream branches off into infinite other timelines/universes based on all possible versions of that stream
so essentially each one creates a multiverse indefinitely, which is backed up by Forged to Fight talking about the multiverse being made up of other multiverses
As for what Unicron can destroy: I would say no on the Astral Plane and Unspace. The latter seems to be his home and as it’s a “nothing” with no space or time (or math allegedly) he doesn’t seem interested in destroying it? Astral Plane seems to be something even the god characters’ minds (if you can call them at) exist in
Infra space though, no reason he shouldn’t be able to eat it. Unicron has already eaten other conceptual entities before when he ate the rest of his race in Reaching the Omega Point, and TFCC implies the idea of death is something that came from him, and since infraspace is the abstract realm between life and death Unicron should still be>it
I honestly need to reorganize OP because while it has most of the relevant info and scans there’s just a lot more stuff I uncovered over the last year that warrants being noted there
so essentially each one creates a multiverse indefinitely, which is backed up by Forged to Fight talking about the multiverse being made up of other multiverses
As for what Unicron can destroy: I would say no on the Astral Plane and Unspace. The latter seems to be his home and as it’s a “nothing” with no space or time (or math allegedly) he doesn’t seem interested in destroying it? Astral Plane seems to be something even the god characters’ minds (if you can call them at) exist in
Infra space though, no reason he shouldn’t be able to eat it. Unicron has already eaten other conceptual entities before when he ate the rest of his race in Reaching the Omega Point, and TFCC implies the idea of death is something that came from him, and since infraspace is the abstract realm between life and death Unicron should still be>it
I honestly need to reorganize OP because while it has most of the relevant info and scans there’s just a lot more stuff I uncovered over the last year that warrants being noted there