it’s not super clear
the idea of them being beyond Unicron came from Ramjet’s TFCC profile but their feats in any transformers story have never come anywhere close to Unicron’s, like I said they can’t even enter a universe without help while Unicron has no such issue and if they dwarf him in strength, they should be coming into conflict all the time because he spends a considerable amount of “time” in Unspace where they dwell.
The best I can come up with is theyd be at least universe level+ to some degree since they turned Ramjet into what he is now and he’s stated to be>Dead Universes
Multiversal is likely due to them iirc threatening a bunch of different universes in the Infestation stories? But that still is technically below what even single iterations of Unicron and Primus have achieved
Jim Sorenson did once claim they are the exact same Elder Gods from Lovecraft’s mythos but I take that with a grain of salt as it hasn’t really been reflected at all in the stories
the idea of them being beyond Unicron came from Ramjet’s TFCC profile but their feats in any transformers story have never come anywhere close to Unicron’s, like I said they can’t even enter a universe without help while Unicron has no such issue and if they dwarf him in strength, they should be coming into conflict all the time because he spends a considerable amount of “time” in Unspace where they dwell.
The best I can come up with is theyd be at least universe level+ to some degree since they turned Ramjet into what he is now and he’s stated to be>Dead Universes
Multiversal is likely due to them iirc threatening a bunch of different universes in the Infestation stories? But that still is technically below what even single iterations of Unicron and Primus have achieved
Jim Sorenson did once claim they are the exact same Elder Gods from Lovecraft’s mythos but I take that with a grain of salt as it hasn’t really been reflected at all in the stories