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14 left, likely looking at 9/4/1. An Ekko lynch seems fine numbers wise. 9/4 after his death. we come out of night at 8/4 and we have a good list of POE it seems.

Alternatively, we let Ekko live today and lynch in the scum pool, hit one and it’s 9/3/1 after day. Maybe Ekko plays ball and we come out of night at best 8/2/1. He doesn’t and shoots us and it’s 7/3/1 and we’re still in the predicament of having to deal with him.

Thoughts?
 
There’s a very good chance that both remaining DV’s are town I think. With the execution/governor and other factors at play, think Poyser might have tried to balance out those roles and get us to screw up looking too much in that direction imo.
 
I think ultra made some very good points around him, knows him well and is pretty certain he’s scum

I’m slightly less confident but his play is night and day from previous two games, and the case on lethal seemed a bit too masturbatory to be real, given he was consensus scum read already

day late and a dollar short
I've found BLD has done a lot of the same things they did as town in ER. I haven't been focusing them too deeply this game tbh so its possible its 'staged' and I'll have to look back at some point on that I guess.
1. But why Ratchet of all people? That's a pretty tall task. You ask why you'd go against Ekko and Gram, but apparently you were ready to swing at Ratchet to start the game. Is that not going against a dominate player as well?

2. Okay, you've played a couple of games with him, I've played many, and sometimes it's hard for me to get a read on him. I've seen a few WS/WF players try to claim they have a good read of how Ekko plays and I just don't feel like that's ever true. I think it's an easy way to just go after Ekko and hide behind meta reasons.

3. Okay this feels just like a brush off. Saying 'let me know where to place my vote' is definitely a possible way to setup just coming back to the thread and placing a vote wherever is convenient for you. You can say you're still catching up and attack some sort of little excuse to the idea of where you're voting to justify it.

4. How does turning heel and changing your view somehow contradict anything I say? You were sussing and shading Gram to start this game and then without a single boost of progression, you're town reading him. How did you get to that progression? For you to switch your read on Gram like that only for him to die and flip town, doesn't sit well with me.

How do ISOs work, Dalton? I saw you had scummy posts while I was reading so I thought I'd do an iso on you. The more I read your posts, the more scummy you became. It felt like you had an agenda. You changed your reads. You started linking mates by pre flipping Ekko as wolf. This feels like a faulty thought process and I'm pointing it out. Your thread leader argument doesn't count either because you wanted to go against Ratchet and then you changed your initial scum read of Gram into a town one. Doesn't really seem like the point you're trying to make here is true.

How are they self-fufilling? Unread your iso and your posts are scummy. Should people just never iso others then? Of course they're going to iso someone looking for specific shit. And how are you even accusing me of a scum tell when we've played, what, a few games together? I don't like it at all how you've tried to give some sort of meta read to me an Ekko despite barely playing with us. Saying this is what I did in Elden Ring is just you writing my reads off in an unfair game (and you know I wasn't even that wrong in Elden Ring). Seems like you're trying to deflect my case and discredit me.
1. Because Ratchet's posts pinged me? wtf lol. Also I'm not sure what you're asking with the second half of this question, if anything you're strengthening my point.
2. I don't know what you're wanting me to say here other than I feel I can see a discernable difference between his town play and his play in this game. Whether or not you can read him is of little importance to me.
3. "Attach some sort of little excuse to the idea of where you're voting" I don't think I was voting anywhere at the time lol. You're just making a mountain out of a molehill with this point and I don't know what you want me to tell you.
4. Just because I didn't document my evolution, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I was reading through pages and pages of content, and I felt he was lethargic in the early game, but came into the game and made more "town Odo" posts as the game went on. Hence my read changed. Again, if you look at when I spoke about Gramma being a scumlean of sorts I was quite passive aggressive about it, so it'd make little sense for me as scum to suddenly 180 my read of him without providing a reason. In this scenario, I would say the logical conclusion to my switch is that my progression was real, because as scum there'd be no reason for me to do it.

And with regards to your whole ISO rant, I'm not a fan of comprehensive ISOs in general because when you've got a preconceived notion of someone, its very easy to read their posts as scummy to fulfil your own preconceptions. This is why I prefer to post my thoughts as I go so I'm articulating my views in the moment rather than retroactively trying to fit things to my narrative.

Also, wrt "accusing you of a scumtell", I did the opposite - I said I don't think its a scumtell necessarily as you did the same thing when you were town.
 
a serial flip clears me anyway so whatever lethal was doing backfired on him and he tried to sell it as a reaction test afterward which fked him up

i can claim tomorow if needed

im neither serial nor vig
why would a serial flip clear you? wat
 
Ekko can be teamed with Lethal, actually. Though that would probably make Psychic the SK, then.
 
Did lethal ever push ekko as scum ?

I know he made that weird post about Xmas mafia reading him as the indie
He did mention he knows his secret and then there was his post about Ekko‘s SK play.

And this day phase he accused Psychic of killing Ultra. I feel like Ekko and Psychic are scum from this. One his team mate and the other the Serial.
 
I dont see a universe where we have a scum team of five and none of them were on an execute.

it was what I touched upon last night. I don’t think Tweet is scum, so it’s between CP and Psychic
agree with this entirely but far more confident on psychic being scum than CP

don't think psychic has any good points on them really

im shit at reading CP though, will be sheeping grams read there :garr
 
do we have a single extra night kill this game other than the vig shot on Doddsy from last night?
 
could just be cross-shooting but what if there isn't even a SK?

don't buy for a second BOTH scum and SK shot Ultra
 
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