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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

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The moment anyone calls Touma a self-insert protagonist is the exact moment I consider their opinion as worth less than garbage. :mjlol

First guy also sounds salty as fuck with his vitriolic hatred towards him, but that's about it.
Edit: just realized he said show, so probably an anime-only.

People in SB do that same thing with the Nasuverse and it honestly gets funny when they do that sort of deal.
In some cases, I legit wonder if they primarily get like this because "those up in their own ass" fans literally told them how the series mechanics work and they denied it because they just simply want to take Nasu to task for "making a universe that hates utopias" or they hate the series because it's just "popular" now.
 

this is the worst argument lol

if we played canon crossovers as a straight indicator of power you end up with the Decepticons canonically killing the Avengers (which is true but it just likely means this version of the Avengers isn't as strong) and Unicron being on the same level as Lovecraft gods
That whole comic was just fanservice and a way to make the Amalgam Universe
 

anti monitor above Living Tribunal???????
 
I'm curious.
For what feat?
@Stocking Anarchy was the one who posted it, but basically the Sandevistan gives the user nanosecond movements. Which David himself uses in Edgerunners to perform some pretty big feats. And Adam was well above that.
 
I mean, if its JUST Fate Zero Lancelot, he kinda both gets statued and probably gets slapped around?
Isnt Berserkalot's best feat in Zero exchanging clashes with Artoria and ripping a light pole out of the ground?

SB never brings it's best every single time it tries to downplay the Nasuverse...
>Tries to use the fact if it's JUST F/Z Lancelot, he's easy pickings for Adam Smasher
>Ignores him being able to deflect and react to GoB attacks which are too fast for Mages to even process the hell happened.

Gilgamesh fires the Gate of Babylon at Lancelot, Lancelot grabs the first sword fired out of the air to deflect the incoming spear behind it.
The treasure swords and spears all around him changed direction. Their tip was now fully aiming at the new target; that is, Berserker.

"You shall at least entertain me when you scatter away, mongrel."

A sword and a spear bustle in the air at the heartless verdict.

The weapons coming out of nowhere shot without warning— this must be the reason the golden Heroic Spirit is an archer. But this off-hand Noble Phantasm was too abnormal. The Noble Phantasm, which should be a treasure to the Heroic Spirit, was being pitched carelessly like you’d casually throw a handful of stones.

Still, the destructive power was enormous. The road surface was blown up like it was hit with an explosive blast, and the scene was shrouded by the dust of the asphalt pulverized into particles.

"... Kh!"

Everyone gulped equally.

In the thick dust, the shadow of a dark, tall figure wavered into their visibility.

Berserker stood unharmed. He had merely moved from his starting point, where the road had become a crater. Out of the weapons thrown by Archer, the spear is the cause of this, hitting its target after being delayed a little. And the sword that should have reached its target a little before the spear had brought no destruction.

The reason for that would be that the sword was in Berserker's hand.

How many had seen the swift offense and defense? At least Irisviel and Waver couldn't understand what had just happened. Truthfully— Berserker had grabbed the precious sword effortlessly, the first strike thrown by Archer, and with his newly acquired weapon he had deflected the second strike, the precious spear.
 
Oh we're downplaying Gin now (fucking wonderful). :hestonpls

"But Ichigo was nerfed when Gin fought him because fear of Hollow Ichigo."

Yes and that was true for the entirety of the FKT arc. Didn't stop Ichigo was harming the Released #0 (with the second hardest heirro in the Espada) while at not even half his full power. Whereas he couldn't even harm R1 Ulquiorra at full power before. That's not even mentioning him damaging Aizen. :maybe

Aizen saying he wasn't as strong as he should have been doesn't change the fact he was still leagues stronger than he'd ever been before that...and Gin still made him look like a complete fucking joke without even really trying.

And this is all without bringing up the TINY detail, that Gin happens to be one of the few fuckers Aizen deemed threat enough to specifically keep his guard up against at all times, at least until the Hougyoku made it unnecessary.

But nah Tosen TOTALLY has better feats than Gin am I right? :kobeha
 

What the fuck logic is this
 

Sigh..

Literally boils down to shitty "b-but lack of collateral" and Zeus being fought on "equal grounds" by people that should be insects to him... which also isn't true.
 

Divell actually believes that Muken Aizen is weaker than Monster Aizen. And some people are agreeing with him!:kobeha

This is definitely part of some sort of agenda to make Dangai Ichigo equal to horn of salvation Ichigo, even if half the people in the section already believe so.
 

Divell actually believes that Muken Aizen is weaker than Monster Aizen. And some people are agreeing with him!:kobeha

This is definitely part of some sort of agenda to make Dangai Ichigo equal to horn of salvation Ichigo, even if half the people in the section already believe so.
I don't even..

You would think it common sense that a character going through multiple power-ups would obviously be stronger than themselves but a few arcs ago, but I guess that's something people sorely lack over there. :mjlol
 

And, in practice, when dropped on the cast, it failed to kill anyone or even destroy the Shadow Border, much like how Artemis, even in her final battle, very much did not blow up a planet.

The Shadow Border explicitly wasn't anywhere near the battle where Wodime fought everyone at...
Secondly, "It didn't blow up the Planet" can be said for literally any attack that should very much blow up the Planet... but doesn't for the sake of the narrative unless you are going to stupidly say some shit that Interstellar Battleships do not have Planetary Durability for their space trekking.

In point of fact, the biggest thing we see her blow up is an island. If you want to argue that Artemis could theoretically blow up a planet with an unknown amount of charge time and energy requirements, that's one thing, but if you want to also argue that Wodime scales to this theoretically turbo-charged Artemis, that's another that you would need to go about proving.

Ah so the narrative and authoritative intent doesn't suddenly matter now? Funny how they love pulling on this to justify their stupid rants except when it makes no sense.
Other Gods have literally stated Artemis can blow up a Planet, Oddyseus who has full knowledge of what the Gods can do in that History has stated she can blow up Planets, and both Wodime and Zeus are compared to her in firepower. The intent is clear regardless of needing to demonstrate it on-fucking-screen because if that's the case, I guess we can really start throwing out scaling entirely since god knows how many characters don't do what we heard they can do despite the narration and intent stating otherwise.

Atlantis and Olympus were full of statements about how X person could theoretically blow a planet/solar system/whatever, but as it happens, all the people those statements got made about also got fought, and very specifically did not do any of those things.

That's not how that works... Narrative Intent very much matters.

Artemis proved that even with a relatively significant charge time (for a fight) her shots could only blow up islands and could not navigate around small, durable objects held by Servants.

...That doesn't even make sense.
Are we trying to apply real world logic now or are we being fucking stupid in how this shit works for a gotcha?
Artemis doesn't need to blow up the Planet with every shot to show she has the ability to blow through the Planet because that is what Narrative Statements are supposed to be for(because if we don't, American Comics and shit like DBZ would basically be full of outliers no one should care for... but this is SB and they actually try that crap).
And secondly, Artemis only has those cooldowns AFTER the she fires her Planet Destroying Laser for her own safety, she has no literal cooldown if she wants to go all out at risk to herself.

Wodime fought several battles with his full power and didn't destroy Olympus or even the Shadow Border, though it was stated a direct hit could do the latter. Zeus has so many asterisks on his major powers, it's a joke, and can be fought for extended periods of time by relative insects.

Okay, let's play this game then:
Garou compared Saitama to a Mountain thus Garou before CF Garou cannot damage a Mountain. Saitama got hurt by a cat thus he and everyone else has weaker durability than him.
Nolan was able to feel pain being bitten by a Re-Animen, thus he cannot be as strong as he actually is.

Just because characters don't be destroying Planets with their attacks that they should be able to, doesn't mean they cannot, especially when the narrative fully agrees. Even in a VS. Debate, you cannot pretend the lack of showing ALONE means it doesn't exist and it's just hyperbole.

Meanwhile, there's an argument to be made for Scion's ability to destroy a planet that's completely irrelevant, because what he does do is actually devastate continents when he's fighting, which makes him so much stronger than Zeus in practice, if not in theory, that nothing else matters.

Uh? We literally have Fergus threaten the entire US in the FGO American Manga, we have had Surtr literally reduce entire Realms which still work under Norse Cosmology to ashes and damn near burned the entire World to ashes(that's why Scandaniva is literally covered with Ice and Snow, it's literally Skadi's attempts to get rid of Surtr's flames over a FAILED attempt to burn the Planet to ashes), Scion devastating continents when he's fighting doesn't mean shit on it's own.

Zeus didn't die because, as far as we know, Wodime didn't kill him, though he planned to kill him later and killed a couple gods to prove he could, so once again, I'm not really sure what your point is.

Ah yes because LB Zeus = Ancient Gods Dioscuri, that helps your argument... how about actually explain that the reason Wodime CAN kill Lostbelt Zeus is only when Zeus wasn't focusing on him and going all out due to thinking he was just a lone Mage and the reason he believed he can kill him for true is due to the bullshit conceptual powers Animus Animusphere truly is capable of?
But apparently Conceptual anything means nothing despite Conceptual Powers are some of the most broken things in fiction...
 

Sigh..

Literally boils down to shitty "b-but lack of collateral" and Zeus being fought on "equal grounds" by people that should be insects to him... which also isn't true.

Funny enough, I just addressed this before I saw your post but yes, it's some of the most ridiculous deflection I have seen, meanwhile "Scion can devastate a Continent while he's fighting" is somehow penned as being "beyond anything Zeus is capable of" despite A Servant and one so below Zeus it's not even funny can basically destroy a Continent.
Meanwhile, we have no clue how Scion can "devastate a Continent" since he's doing it while he's fighting which can mean alot of things.
 
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