OBD Convo #29: outskirts nakama dome - no snatching edition

[TrueG 37]

And its still a waste of several months.

Oh great, we get another Moro/Granolah saga in terms of writing. Wonder how much fanservice Toyo will cram in to try to make up for his inability to write competently.

Probably the only thing he does we- actually, no. Given the latest chapter, he can't even do callbacks correctly.ha

Let us never forget that Toyo gave us a mastered version of Ultra Instinct that is actually the unmastered version of Ultra Instinct that works when you unmaster Ultra Instinct while you're unmastering Ultra Instinct. Fucking Ultra Instinct omen/sign (true), I genuinely want to know what Toyo was smoking creating that .

 

[TrueG 37]

Literally Goku's Ultra Instinct usage in the manga

Dude failed upwards, no wonder Vegeta's pissed .

 

[Astaro]

Let us never forget that Toyo gave us a mastered version of Ultra Instinct that is actually the unmastered version of Ultra Instinct that works when you unmaster Ultra Instinct while you're unmastering Ultra Instinct. Fucking Ultra Instinct omen/sign (true), I genuinely want to know what Toyo was smoking creating that .

Ended up being pointless too. Since Mastered UI still proved the better version that actually allowed Goku to overpower Gas with that weird Perfect Susanoo-looking thing it does

 

[Adamant soul]

Let us never forget that Toyo gave us a mastered version of Ultra Instinct that is actually the unmastered version of Ultra Instinct that works when you unmaster Ultra Instinct while you're unmastering Ultra Instinct. Fucking Ultra Instinct omen/sign (true), I genuinely want to know what Toyo was smoking creating that .

Replace Tucker with Toyo.

 

[Derpmaster9000]

Let us never forget that Toyo gave us a mastered version of Ultra Instinct that is actually the unmastered version of Ultra Instinct that works when you unmaster Ultra Instinct while you're unmastering Ultra Instinct. Fucking Ultra Instinct omen/sign (true), I genuinely want to know what Toyo was smoking creating that .

This man Toyo isn't writing at this point. He's just repeatedly throwing shit at the wall, hoping something sticks.

And nothing does.

 

[El Hermano]

@TrueG 37 How low did MHA go this week?

 

[Derpmaster9000]

Literally Goku's Ultra Instinct usage in the manga

Dude failed upwards, no wonder Vegeta's pissed .

The backwards ass plot to Goku, every time he tries to use the form that's supposed to be his peak:

 

[Adamant soul]

This man Toyo isn't writing at this point. He's just repeatedly throwing shit at the wall, hoping something sticks.

And nothing does.

People still trying to pretend the manga is better than the anime?

 

[Derpmaster9000]

People still trying to pretend the manga is better than the anime?

Only the idiots. Most accepted the anime was better during the trashfire retelling of the TOP saga. Moro just reaffirmed it in people's minds.

 

[Astaro]

I’d argue earlier. Goku Black Saga was done better in the anime compared to the manga.

TOP just solidified what was already a fact

 

[Derpmaster9000]

I’d argue earlier. Goku Black Saga was done better in the anime compared to the manga.

TOP just solidified what was already a fact

Nah, it was still like 50/50 back then, even if people were also pissed at the whole timeline retcon thing by Toyo, as in hindsight, it made even less sense than the clusterfuck that was the anime's time-travel shenanigans.

The TOP saga and how uber-rushed it was sent that 50/50 to like a 90/10 ratio.

 

[Adamant soul]

Only the idiots. Most accepted the anime was better during the trashfire retelling of the TOP saga. Moro just reaffirmed it in people's minds.

I'm glad I never bothered reading it.

Funny how it puts you off when you hear the final boss of an arc (Hit) was jobbed and Trunks does nothing in an arc literally NAMED after him originally. ha

I mean yeah, Trunks' power up was stupid in the anime (in that it came out of nowhere, the actual design was fine) but I would rather that than have him do nothing. It's the same reason I don't mind Orange Piccolo, despite it having little explanation itself.

 

[Astaro]

I'm glad I never bothered reading it.

Funny how it puts you off when you hear the final boss of an arc (Hit) was jobbed and Trunks does nothing in an arc literally NAMED after him originally. ha

I mean yeah, Trunks' power up was stupid in the anime but I would rather that than have him do nothing. It's the same reason I don't mind Orange Piccolo, despite it having little explanation itself.

It’s so funny too because of how Trunks in the manga started out stronger than in the anime.

Anime SS2 Trunks got bodied by Super Saiyan 3 Goku while manga Trunks could power up his Super Saiyan 2 further to match SS3 Goku enough to force him to use God form.

 

[Adamant soul]

It’s so funny too because of how Trunks in the manga started out stronger than in the anime.

Anime SS2 Trunks got bodied by Super Saiyan 3 Goku while manga Trunks could power up his Super Saiyan 2 further to match SS3 Goku enough to force him to use God form.

But didn't the manga NOT do the thing where Goku's lower forms were buffed after his first SSJG transformation?

So technically anime SSJ3 Goku >>>>>>> Manga SSJ3 Goku.

 

[Derpmaster9000]

I'm glad I never bothered reading it.

Funny how it puts you off when you hear the final boss of an arc (Hit) was jobbed and Trunks does nothing in an arc literally NAMED after him originally. ha

I mean yeah, Trunks' power up was stupid in the anime (in that it came out of nowhere, the actual design was fine) but I would rather that than have him do nothing. It's the same reason I don't mind Orange Piccolo, despite it having little explanation itself.

Toyo's burial of Hit will forever be his biggest sin in my mind. That shit straight up pissed me off. Made even worse by Toyo revealing his trench-coat was essentially an attach-on skirt, and then having him get bodied like a mega-jobber against Jiren. Even Hit's anime L to Jiren wasn't a quarter as bad as what Toyo did.

 

[Adamant soul]

Toyo's burial of Hit will forever be his biggest sin in my mind.

Especially given not only is it one of the best fights in the anime, but Hit is a legitimately cool and interesting character, one of the few good ones to come out of Super.

He was also super popular so why the hell Toyo thought that was a good idea, I don't know.

That shit straight up pissed me off. Made even worse by Toyo revealing his trench-coat was essentially an attach-on skirt, and then having him get bodied like a mega-jobber against Jiren. Even Hit's anime L to Jiren wasn't a quarter as bad as what Toyo did.

Hit managed to keep Jiren restrained long enough for the Saiyan Girls to get away. He at least went down like a chad, being a team player.

Which was promptly ruined by Califla wanting to fight Goku, but that's still better than just having Hit get stomped.

 

[Derpmaster9000]

Especially given not only is it one of the best fights in the anime, but Hit is a legitimately cool and interesting character, one of the few good ones to come out of Super.

He was also super popular so why the hell Toyo thought that was a good idea, I don't know.

Hit managed to keep Jiren restrained long enough for the Saiyan Girls to get away. He at least went down like a chad, being a team player.

Which was promptly ruined by Califla wanting to fight Goku, but that's still better than just having Hit get stomped.

If there's one thing Toyo is actually a master at, its squandering potential and making anything that was good, utter shite. Could've made another long-standing rival for Goku, outside of Vegeta, but noooo. Just bury him from the start, rather than give him his dues pre-TOP, like the anime did.

Him jumping into Jiren with that energy ball, even when Jiren was somewhat restrained, was downright silly in the anime. No excuse given as to why he didn't try to weaken him first, by doing his shockwave punch into Jiren's chest again, or something. Still better than the manga, where he ended up getting one-tapped by an uppercut after attempting to slow the nigga down, instead of outright stop him, but eh. Would've much preferred the clone theory to have been true, and Hit was in there the entire time, just biding his time and waiting for the opportune moment to strike.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Nah, it was still like 50/50 back then, even if people were also pissed at the whole timeline retcon thing by Toyo, as in hindsight, it made even less sense than the clusterfuck that was the anime's time-travel shenanigans.

The TOP saga and how uber-rushed it was sent that 50/50 to like a 90/10 ratio.

Don't even get me started in how many fuckers kept defending the Future Trunks Saga in the Manga, I can agree with people in the anime's take overall in the sense Future Trunks deserved a happy ending... but dear merciful fuck, Future Trunks had a damn good arc in the Anime and even his end had him actually learn to not lean on the others and defend the future on his own.

The Manga? Future Trunks just becomes a fucking bitch healing slave and does absolutely nothing to take the future back on his own. He whipped Manga SSJ3 Goku's ass? Okay, why does that matter when Toyo explicitly states that Goku doesn't benefit from the God Ki buff unless he's in SSJG or SSJB.
Doesn't help both Zamasu and Goku Black turn into such bitches, why did Trunks NEED Goku and Vegeta again?

 

[Adamant soul]

Would've much preferred the clone theory to have been true, and Hit was in there the entire time, just biding his time and waiting for the opportune moment to strike.

Imagine Android 17 thinking he won at the end...only to get punched off the stage by a surprise attack from real Hit.

 

[Astaro]

Vegeta really should have been the one to have beaten Moro.

Would have really completed his redemption over what he did to the Namekians by not only getting back their life energy Moro stole like he managed but also actually beating the guy who killed them all.