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Game Unranked Archived Fairy Tail Mafia - The Dawn of Fiore [Main Game Thread] (Game Ended - Zeref Dragneel and Acnologia have won the game)

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Magic said:
Is.he somewhat cowardly as scum? I saw he got lynched twice on day 1 and subbed out as well on day 1 when getting lynched. If so I suppose it's accurate he wouldn't be mafia here as he's not really shying away from anything.
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He’s got way more bite here. I subbed into the game when we were scum later on in tbt game, but I read D1 (and I read D1 before our teams merged so I didn’t have TMI). He was much less combative. Later that same game he got more “cowardly” and that was a huge difference. But just comparing the starts themselves he’s a lot more fierce here.

Ratchet said:
None of this feels very well thought out to me - @Dr_Professor83 can you run by me which parts of this you like please?
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Asking me for a read on you did seem weird and self focused when he pointed it out. (I’ve sense seen your reasoning and it makes sense enough, but on a face level, yeah it seemed a little odd. And I think you probably do lean more into logic/pedantry as scum.

Reading your back and forth, you might be right, and everything JW says may not be perfectly thought out, but that doesn’t make you Town. I watched you run circles around Town Muugen and backed you up in a situation that feels very similar to this:
Ratchet said:
Literally:

>JW: I don't think you would put this much effort into making people think you play the same as town and scum as Town.
>Me: I haven't really put much effort into that though?
>JW: If this isn't you putting in effort, then you putting in effort must be scary.
>Me: Uh, what?
>JW: When I talk about the effort you've put in, I'm speaking generally.
>Me: That's not what you originally said.
>JW: Your reading comprehension fails.

Like come on now.
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And I think you saying I also lean into logic stuff usually is a good way to appeal and get me on board with your side of things since you’re still the more logically sound between the two of you. It’s probably one reason I’m so notoriously bad at reading you, bc I’m swayed by logic and that makes you a particular kryptonite bc I’m having to look beyond “who is right” and feel out something less “tangible” than what I like

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My biggest hang up from giving you an outright scum read here, is the fear of: “what if I’m wrong”. Bc I don’t want to ruin your game over paranoia. I don’t even want to ruin your game over paranoia if I’m right and you are scum (as in get you for an unfair reason even if that’s stupid and shouldn’t matter). But also, I do feel like I sense/see reasons, and then I’m in a weird place where I don’t trust myself bc I don’t want to be wrong and even if I’m right I’m worried if I’m right for the wrong reasons and if I should even care lol.
 
Dr_Professor83 said:
He’s got way more bite here. I subbed into the game when we were scum later on in tbt game, but I read D1 (and I read D1 before our teams merged so I didn’t have TMI). He was much less combative. Later that same game he got more “cowardly” and that was a huge difference. But just comparing the starts themselves he’s a lot more fierce here.


Asking me for a read on you did seem weird and self focused when he pointed it out. (I’ve sense seen your reasoning and it makes sense enough, but on a face level, yeah it seemed a little odd. And I think you probably do lean more into logic/pedantry as scum.

Reading your back and forth, you might be right, and everything JW says may not be perfectly thought out, but that doesn’t make you Town. I watched you run circles around Town Muugen and backed you up in a situation that feels very similar to this:


And I think you saying I also lean into logic stuff usually is a good way to appeal and get me on board with your side of things since you’re still the more logically sound between the two of you. It’s probably one reason I’m so notoriously bad at reading you, bc I’m swayed by logic and that makes you a particular kryptonite bc I’m having to look beyond “who is right” and feel out something less “tangible” than what I like

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My biggest hang up from giving you an outright scum read here, is the fear of: “what if I’m wrong”. Bc I don’t want to ruin your game over paranoia. I don’t even want to ruin your game over paranoia if I’m right and you are scum (as in get you for an unfair reason even if that’s stupid and shouldn’t matter). But also, I do feel like I sense/see reasons, and then I’m in a weird place where I don’t trust myself bc I don’t want to be wrong and even if I’m right I’m worried if I’m right for the wrong reasons and if I should even care lol.
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Aurelian actually improved a lot his last scum game
 
I get the pressure on Kobe but why the bandwagon on Xadlin? Did something change or develop when I went to sleep last night? That said seeing as how the supposed "role" hint with TSworder pushed off a potential flip from him from now, my vote on him is meaningless other then the other ones pressuring him enough he felt compelled to do that in the first place.

[unvote]

[Vote Lynch Kobe]

Still think you are kind of scummy this day.
 
Dr_Professor83 said:
what if I’m wrong”. Bc I don’t want to ruin your game over paranoia. I don’t even want to ruin your game over paranoia if I’m right and you are scum (as in get you for an unfair reason even if that’s stupid and shouldn’t matter).
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That‘s bad reasoning and unnecessary fence sitting. Since when do you care so much about f***ing people over? You done it plenty lately without even any hesitation. If you have no reason to Town read somebody and think you can feel evil intent vote them up.
 
I feel like a Xadlin lynch would give us arguably the least amount of info from the other two wagons. What have they even contributed so far?
 
Ratchet I genuinely do not like going against you lol.

I WANT to be able to work together lol. Which is part of what got me absolutely wrecked in Yugioh & OP Mash. I have more fun when we do. Heck I had fun in the OP game doing it when you were scum lmao (during the game while I was alive, not so much in the aftermath lol)

I overlooked the Mango not entering your and Ekko’s “chat” even tho I tinfoiled that could mean you lied about it privately just bc I didn’t want to be paranoid and make us not work together lol.

So either way, know paranoia around you is in no way spiteful or ill willed lol.
 
Flower said:
That‘s bad reasoning and unnecessary fence sitting. Since when do you care so much about f***ing people over? You done it plenty lately without even any hesitation. If you have no reason to Town read somebody and think you can feel evil intent vote them up.
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I’ve always cared about people’s feelings and relationships in these games.

What you’re talking about me doing is me just having fun/pulling the equivalent of a prank. It’s not the same. And the time I did it and I felt it caused hard feelings I genuinely felt bad.
 
Hayumi said:
I feel like a Xadlin lynch would give us arguably the least amount of info from the other two wagons. What have they even contributed so far?
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He‘s just a LHF, even if he‘s scum we gain nothing. Not a big fan of either of those main wagons from this day phase. Neither Kobe nor Sworder nor Xadlin are any spicy votes which can help us go somewhere. Just feels weak.
 
Dr_Professor83 said:
I’ve always cared about people’s feelings and relationships in these games.

What you’re talking about me doing is me just having fun/pulling the equivalent of a prank. It’s not the same. And the time I did it and I felt it caused hard feelings I genuinely felt bad.
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I cared a lot, too, and guess where it led me. GTH Ratchet scum or Town go!
 
Also, if I lynch Town Ratchet on D1, I feel I’ve caused serious damage to Town.

I’m never going to lynch him D1 barring some massive slip or day invest result.

Even if I scum read Ratchet, the most I’ll do is draw attention to it to put him on others radars so that if I die first they will hopefully do it for me later, or I stay alive long enough to find something concrete enough that I feel strongly about it to lynch (like play around teammates or some mechanical issue)
 
Dr_Professor83 said:
He’s got way more bite here. I subbed into the game when we were scum later on in tbt game, but I read D1 (and I read D1 before our teams merged so I didn’t have TMI). He was much less combative. Later that same game he got more “cowardly” and that was a huge difference. But just comparing the starts themselves he’s a lot more fierce here.


Asking me for a read on you did seem weird and self focused when he pointed it out. (I’ve sense seen your reasoning and it makes sense enough, but on a face level, yeah it seemed a little odd. And I think you probably do lean more into logic/pedantry as scum.

Reading your back and forth, you might be right, and everything JW says may not be perfectly thought out, but that doesn’t make you Town. I watched you run circles around Town Muugen and backed you up in a situation that feels very similar to this:


And I think you saying I also lean into logic stuff usually is a good way to appeal and get me on board with your side of things since you’re still the more logically sound between the two of you. It’s probably one reason I’m so notoriously bad at reading you, bc I’m swayed by logic and that makes you a particular kryptonite bc I’m having to look beyond “who is right” and feel out something less “tangible” than what I like

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My biggest hang up from giving you an outright scum read here, is the fear of: “what if I’m wrong”. Bc I don’t want to ruin your game over paranoia. I don’t even want to ruin your game over paranoia if I’m right and you are scum (as in get you for an unfair reason even if that’s stupid and shouldn’t matter). But also, I do feel like I sense/see reasons, and then I’m in a weird place where I don’t trust myself bc I don’t want to be wrong and even if I’m right I’m worried if I’m right for the wrong reasons and if I should even care lol.
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My intent is not to appeal towards you. Actually, I think you look pretty terrible off of your agreement with John Wayne - because I expect you to first analyse the logic behind a position, not just agree because the conclusion supports your paranoia read (your words, not mine).

I'll be frank. I think I've played today in a pro town way - I've attempted to move discussion, I've been flexible in my reads, I've offered a variety of them, I've made my thought process transparent. I'm not really prepared to tolerate lazy scum reads that are poorly defined, especially not when I've extended plenty of charity the other way. This is not to say I expect to be mass town read.
 
Dr_Professor83 said:
Ratchet I genuinely do not like going against you lol.

I WANT to be able to work together lol. Which is part of what got me absolutely wrecked in Yugioh & OP Mash. I have more fun when we do. Heck I had fun in the OP game doing it when you were scum lmao (during the game while I was alive, not so much in the aftermath lol)

I overlooked the Mango not entering your and Ekko’s “chat” even tho I tinfoiled that could mean you lied about it privately just bc I didn’t want to be paranoid and make us not work together lol.

So either way, know paranoia around you is in no way spiteful or ill willed lol.
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I haven't said anything about spite here. Spite is Flower, who is attempting to ruin my game and make sure I have a miserable time because she doesn't like me.

I simply refer back to what I've said. It frankly baffles me because I'm playing in a way that is about as townie as I can possibly be.
 
I'm giving Flower one more chance to play properly, otherwise I will happily ruin her game today if it ensures a better experience for me.
 
Kobe said:
Expecting town/scum read in D1 for every player is the dumbest mafia play that I have seen. I'm not sure who hime is on NF but doesn't seem like a good player.

Apparently, saying you are null on most everyone is somehow being inactive. There is literally nothing to base decisions on except bait/switch.
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looks like someone is upset lol
can u pls quote me on ur statements? bc as far as i recall, ive never said anything even remotely related to ur claim

anyway as far as the second part goes, ive never called you inactive due to your null reads
i said youve fluffed and done little to nothing in terms of solving/engagement with other players

curious to know what you believe to be the best method to scum hunt DP1?
 
Ratchet said:
I haven't said anything about spite here. Spite is Flower, who is attempting to ruin my game and make sure I have a miserable time because she doesn't like me.

I simply refer back to what I've said. It frankly baffles me because I'm playing in a way that is about as townie as I can possibly be.
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I know but you brining it up at all makes me self conscious bc I know you’ve suggested I treat your slot with bad faith before (Favs, Assassin game, Waifu game, etc.) I understand it’s a different kind but still.
 
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