Final Fantasy XIV Mafia - Game Thread

[Evans]

Convincing

3 votes in and you went full yolo with a botched claim

Sorta and I`m like aaaa...? Just drop what it does from the beginning.

Ok

you turned 180 grades with this claim

Just put the chromosome in the bag

Why do you changed your stance on Grams when he tunneled you for like 30 hours?
@Grammaton are you voting this lad because he contradicts a lot? from what i've played with him it seems like he does this quite often, doesn't matter the alignment,
Anyway, if this phase ends with Aurelian and bpd as main wagons, I will vote Aurelian.

We've got like 6 hours, just vote Aurelian

 

[Lethal]

Evans
Magic
CraigPelton
TSworder
Black Pegged Dragon
Ekkologix
T-Pein™
Psychic
Xadlin
Grammaton
Lord Melkor
Aurelian
Hans Tweetenberg
Natalija
Odd
Lethal

Psychic for reasons stated. Fang too. Xadlin due to them giving me a town read with zero explanation. Ekko cos I don't like his shift to CP coming from Evans when he had no prior indication.

Evans is aggressive, annoying, niggling, lots of solving so town lock for mine. Same too with Gram. Even Magic. CP seems solvy enough for now, but this can change if Fang is wolf as I suspect. Dragon cos he's at least consistent and not boring down a tunnel case on someone, plus don't think he has equity to have his exchange with Fang and push it as a distance/bus. Melkor as stated. Tweet's column is shaky cos he's floating between solvy and then back to pushing papers and not committing.

Before I go to bed I'll ISO Sworder and Sandwich to move off null. Pein is meh, and Natalya wants to be an inciting sheila so no buys.

 

[T-Pein™]

He's in my wolf list. I mean if you'd read the thread and weren't a cancerous mong, you'd be able to gauge exactly why he's right up on a lot of people's lists.

 

[TSworder]

Vote Lynch Aurelian

 

[T-Pein™]

Do you think CPs push on you is townie based on your current reads list?

duh.

 

[T-Pein™]

BPD is not happening because it'd be very ill advised and town regret it so. Game would turn miserable, in my honest opinion.

threats?
didnt you just hint Stump ?
what the...

 

[Lethal]

Not much to go on in regards to the Sword man, aside from commentary about Evans and Pein, but he does at least address the Fang/Gram debate with a fresh outlook that looks genuine. Kinda hope he looks outside of just that though and can get more. Very slight shift to town column.

 

[Lethal]

Chicken sandwich has just thrown absolute shite around, shading pein hugely, a stupid reason to town read Magic. Just a complete nothing slot. Null.

 

[Lethal]

Natalya auditioning for jeopardy with all the questions and wanting others to do leg work for her. Not sure if that's indicative of anything.

 

[Aurelian]

First Craig:

You scum again??

Can you try playing to win instead of settling personal scores pls this is dogshit

I feel you completely failed to grasp the criticism here

What insult??

^ These four posts are part of Craig's early intro the game on day 1 to Evans. A key component here is that quite often Craig and Evans will be at odds, which will paint why I don't think they can be aligned as scum together. Particularly in regards with Raem, Psychic, and T-Pein as key factors here.

If he's town then he's not trying to solve

If he's scum then he's trying to turn the game toxic right off the bat which is a lame strategy

I hate it

Craig wasn't replying to anyone here specifically but I think this post was to BPD about Evans? I would like @CraigPelton to clarify on it since I'm kind of hazy on who he's specifically addressing. Either way he's elaborating that if its about Evans he's unhappy about his way of starting the game off that way and making things already heated.

I want to hear from fellow town leader @Psychic

Tags Psychic.

What do you think, @Psychic ?

Tags Psychic again.

you really think scum gram is rolling into the game like "I'm gonna get aurelian mislynched d1"? get over yourself lol

Craig's response to me in trying to see Grammaton as scum when he was going at me.

@Grammaton What pinged you about Aurelian's post @ Evans btw?

Craig asking Grammaton why he voted for me after its been clarified then or later about the mismatched timeline and why Grammaton voted me because of my question to Evans about voting and wanting T-Pein gone.

All right @Psychic I'm afraid it's that time again. You reacted to this post 50 minutes ago but haven't said anything. You've hardly said anything yet this game despite clearly being around. You know what I'm thinking. What's up?

Tagging Psychic a third time again.

I don't think he's doing this just for show or shield Psychic if he was scum to make her more proactive when its pretty much a foundation in mafia games here how much Psychic has been banged out by Craig in past games in non-town aligned roles.

Thought about it with some effort and I think he's trying to push her into activity as part of his way of player solving. He also implicitly acknowledges she should be aware that he has her if she doesn't behave in a townie way. Or in her own townie way I should say.

Can you explain why you think he's scum?

Craig quotes and pushes BPD to give reasons/justifications for scum reading/wolf reading me.

this is like the exact same post you made about Poyser wanting to lynch Lethal in Monster Hunter lol

Craig replies to T-Pein about my slot and it being a low-bar for Grammaton.
He even parallels it with a similar post in a similar situation involving me in the MHW game.

brb sleep, think t-pein is the best direction

Again illustrating like with Magic or Psychic later on, I don't think T-Pein and Craig are scum mates/aligned.

Evans is hard to buy this game though. starts off with the I HATE T-PEIN LET'S KILL HIM shtick, then t-pein comes into the thread and plays exactly how he did when he was actually scum and suddenly Evans has nothing to say about him but shades me who is actually pointing this out. then when questioned about it he shades T-Pein but also continues to shade me. feels very off

Craig posting again about his issues with Evans, referencing back to his very early posts at the start of the game with Evans opening salvo about wanting to essentially policy lynch T-Pein. Craig and T-Pein have disagreed on several things but this is interesting in that itself, Craig isn't playing on emotions but rather wants to focus on a player's content then mindlessly push a lynch but does bridge the gap about how Evans early angle was getting rid of T-Pein then saying nothing after T-Pein made some posts and tries to underscore and misrepresent Craig on illustrating that back and forth.

Again there is division involving T-Pein, Craig, and Evans.

did you ever answer my question about who the people hesitant to vote aurelian were that you thought could be scum? I also need to ask you who is defending aurelian that you think has scum equity with him or is potentially being scummy

Craig responding to Magic about potential teammates that could be bussing or pushing me if I'm scum. He really is actively seeking answers from Magic on why he locked into this posture.

another way to look at it if you weren't just tunneling: encouraging players to solve rather than wage personal vendettas is a pro-town move

literally led to her dropping some substance which felt like town psychic, which I was the first to acknowledge. so it led to a town read.

yeah I have reservations about it because he's not too different from MHW but Odo has made some good points and was right about him in Fallout, I tend to trust players like Magic and Odo d1 more than my own reads and also letting them get their way helps me read them

Craig responding to Ekko:

- him responding to Ekko low key shading him for tagging Psychic multiple times
- Craig responding this was essentially a litmus test for Psychic to get reads and content out of her which he wasn't trying to be subtle about
- He also agrees to Ekko that he was something of on the fence initially about my wagon given my past behavior as a townie which is why he has reservations about it

In conclusion to this post he's been very much his normal town self is my take away.

why no read on aurelian in your list? and you seem to suggest you didn't really follow the convo so why town read him now?

Questioning Xadlin for his reads list and logically asking him why he has a bunch of reads when he admits he hasn't followed much of the earlier events in day 1.

My vote's on him

The Evans town read on RAEM is rubbing me a bit wrong rn tho

Craig stating to Grammaton he had his lynch vote on me. Also states he dislikes Evans easy town reading on Raem, would say the same thing to Magic later on as well.

I said why I am changing on BPD in the post you just quoted before, and my scum read on you was based on a mistaken timeline which I also acknowledged earlier

Craig responding to Evans.
Evans seems VERY curious about Craig starting to get suspicious about BPD's. Earlier he explained this by how contrasting BPD's past townie behavior was with this game to T-Pein's.

it does, I have t-pein as scum and nothing bpd said would make me move t-pein closer to town

Craig address Evans again that he still has T-Pein as scum and BPD was irrelevant to this.

not a single person was interested in pushing t-pein and he only has a handful of posts to work with, idk what you're expecting here. in the other game I had poyser and alco pushing him too, even before I did

and yeah I town read psychic so idk what you're talking about there

Craig replying to Evans:

- again factually points out that Evans attempt to wagon T-Pein was going nowhere and most of them were NAI
- Craig parallels this with the MHW with his synergy working with Alco and Poyser to lynch T-Pein as the wagon had real teeth and traction to it
- he does interestingly now slot Psychic as more town leading with his read and contrasts Evans effort as being lazy with pushing T-Pein

for the bar I set for psychic she's about where I expect her to be if she's town. like I said, when I've called out psychic for lurking before she just omgus'd or threw out obvious nonsense that got her lynched. not the case here.

Craig telling Evans he had a specific requirement for where he town reads or scum reads Psychic. He acknowledges and says that if she wasn't immediately omgussing or acting in a tantrum emotionally fueled way he would push her lynch. On this I disagree because this about the easiest way to directly play differently but I'm not totally agreeing with Craig on it.

here you go evans since you seem to have not really read my posts and are confused with my progression this game










made what I felt was a good case on him and went to sleep

this is all t-pein had to say in response to it



Magic reinforces he thinks Aurelian is scum, Gram disagrees with me on T-Pein



Then Magic says I might be right, all T-Pein says is "Cringe" and Magic drops it, don't think he ever picked it back up


I point out I don't think T-Pein and Aurelian are aligned

I explain why I feel like just letting gram have his aurelian lynch

but would still shoot t-pein if aurelian is town

literally nobody joined my t-pein wagon at all and t-pein barely acknowledged it himself and hasn't been around at all today so idk what you expected me to do today wrt t-pein besides park my vote which is kind of useless

A longer winded reply to Evans from Craig about some of his reads and related to T-Pein, myself, and Psychic. These are all quoted multiple posts so feel free to jump into them as I'm not going to break that down quote by quote in this mega post of his. All the same its him standing his ground to Evans about the entire T-Pein discussion they've circled around multiple times now.

Again unless the two are playing a strong distance game with each other like we saw with Magic, Ultra, and the rest of the scum team sans T-Pein in the last game, I can't align the two together, they've been against a lot of each others reads and discussions on players.

it's not just about activity though you aren't really pushing much of an agenda or putting much behind your reads. usually as town you have strong convictions and will even vig people who are being unanimously read town. this game you've been a wet noodle. active or not, it's quite different.

Again replying this time to BPD, Craig points out BPD lacks a lot of drive, isn't playing remotely close to his normal town meta, and operating outside of how he would aggressively tunnel or attack other players when he was town even with self-destructive kind of actions or setting himself to get spanked for it.

I think we should resolve BPD or T-Pein instead of Aurelian tbdean

Craig disengaging from my wagon when replying to Psychic.

eh maybe we just lynch t-pein here

Craig again happy to push T-Pein's wagon.
Odd liked this post.
Not surprising though.

She already had you as a scum read before you so much as mentioned her so you're just not framing this truthfully at all. she clearly had something against your posts already. of course the timeline matters given your framing of it as omgus.

Craig replying to Magic and pointing out the weirdness in Psychic scum reading and tunneling at Magic as she got more active a few times. Craig also illustrates that Magic was kind of misframing things but it doesn't feel 'malicious' on Magic's part so he might've just made a mistake there. Either way they have more back and forths concerning her, Evans, Raem.

I tried to avoid Craig's later posts because they more directly involve me and impact BPD's wagon and current losing standing as town read.
But Craig I see a pattern and formula to his style of posting, solving, and pressing with myself, BPD, Magic, Evans, T-Pein, and Ekko in particular.
I would say I'm confident he's fully in his town meta.

 

[Odd]

I think Fang and Craig are wolfy. I think Nat and Odd are on the sidelines a bit as well. Last game, Nat was at least asking questions and trying to clarify things for herself. Odd has popped in the day some aggressive comments and that's it. Also I think Xad throwing a vote on my wagon and then disappearing is a bad look as well.

I gave Tweet some townie points for his assessment on Melkor being town. I thought that Tweet mentioned a few things about the usual town play that I see from Melkor that I thought was a good observation considering Tweet isn't as familiar with Melkor as others.

I want to move past the aggressive entrance, a tad distasteful for my liking. You can all relax though, I assure you I'm town

 

[Evans]

A key component here is that quite often Craig and Evans will be at odds, which will paint why I don't think they can be aligned as scum together.

What games are you basing my history with CP off of exactly?

Do you think I'm scum then?

 

[Evans]

@Aurelian

Can you post Ekko's since you finished it please

 

[Aurelian]

Before going back to Evans now I'll point out BPD seems awfully twitchy, defensive, and down right scummy based off his reaction to Craig's gradual distrust of him and removing his town lean on him went. Its exceedingly jumped now into "Craig is aligned and wolfish" when that never happened until after he voted for him and my posts breaking down why BPD has been completely out of wack compared to his normal town self.

 

[Evans]

Craig posting again about his issues with Evans, referencing back to his very early posts at the start of the game with Evans opening salvo about wanting to essentially policy lynch T-Pein. Craig and T-Pein have disagreed on several things but this is interesting in that itself, Craig isn't playing on emotions but rather wants to focus on a player's content then mindlessly push a lynch but does bridge the gap about how Evans early angle was getting rid of T-Pein then saying nothing after T-Pein made some posts and tries to underscore and misrepresent Craig on illustrating that back and forth.

Also, you done fucked up here kiddo!

You're using this to shade me as I've misrepresented CP as if it's a scummy action.

Perhaps you should read the whole exchange where CP admits fault

Evans is hard to buy this game though. starts off with the I HATE T-PEIN LET'S KILL HIM shtick, then t-pein comes into the thread and plays exactly how he did when he was actually scum and suddenly Evans has nothing to say about him but shades me who is actually pointing this out. then when questioned about it he shades T-Pein but also continues to shade me. feels very off

My vote is still on T-Pein and I said I still want him gone

that doesn't contradict anything I said mate

This whole post reeks as is the previous about having me as a scum lean lol

Like, it’s completely not true

No?




I literally commented on his play and then you post this

“Nothing to say about him” is not true

oh nvm I thought you said that in response to being asked about t-pein

What games are you basing my history with CP off of exactly?

Do you think I'm scum then?

 

[Grammaton]

Convincing

3 votes in and you went full yolo with a botched claim

Sorta and I`m like aaaa...? Just drop what it does from the beginning.

Ok

you turned 180 grades with this claim

Just put the chromosome in the bag

Why do you changed your stance on Grams when he tunneled you for like 30 hours?
@Grammaton are you voting this lad because he contradicts a lot? from what i've played with him it seems like he does this quite often, doesn't matter the alignment,
Anyway, if this phase ends with Aurelian and bpd as main wagons, I will vote Aurelian.

No, I’m fully aware he can be contradictory- I don’t expect perfection from him

 

[Aurelian]

@Aurelian

Can you post Ekko's since you finished it please

Post #1503 https://onelastforum.com/threads/final-fantasy-xiv-mafia-game-thread.3800/page-51#post-251237 for Craig
Post #1411 https://onelastforum.com/threads/final-fantasy-xiv-mafia-game-thread.3800/page-48#post-251136 for Magic
Post #1205 https://onelastforum.com/threads/final-fantasy-xiv-mafia-game-thread.3800/page-41#post-250859 for Ekko
Post #1115 https://onelastforum.com/threads/final-fantasy-xiv-mafia-game-thread.3800/page-38#post-250735 for BPD

 

[Lethal]

Is Fang going to write essays about all of us?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

7 pages behind. how much time we have left?

before i went to sleep i thought tpein was intentionally tanking his town game so it matches his recent scum game just so he can say "its NAI" and increase his town/scum range

@T-Pein™ we can dunk on cp here. need it to come from u first as u r his primary escape goat

 

[Aurelian]

It does strike me as odd before I go back into ISOing Evans posts that once the tables have turned on BPD:

- Tweet expressing reservations about lynching me and reevaulating him
- Craig starting to swing away back toward BPD or T-Pein for a lynch
- Magic getting curious but playing the arbitrator, etc...
- T-Pein distrusting BPD more and reading me as town again

That you see almost twice of BPD's entire activity in posts and content come at the heels of my read on him and his sussy play and now there is a rush to hammer my lynch quickly

I'm starting to connect the dots

Now back to ISOing Evans