Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Paxton]

What about the thread is wrong though?

The Servants severely outstat the Falling Devil, likely won't be affected by her mental shit, and they can't do any meaningful damage to her since she can just make another flesh puppet to occupy.

That's the general consensus from what I'm seeing.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

What about the thread is wrong though?

The Servants severely outstat the Falling Devil, likely won't be affected by her mental shit, and they can't do any meaningful damage to her since she can just make another flesh puppet to occupy.

That's the general consensus from what I'm seeing.

Then you obviously ain't seeing the thread then:
Quite a few users outright say the Servants will fall to her mental attack.

Ah Mental attack, I forgot what feat this has to do with. But it's clear Gil is unlikely to fall given how mentally deranged he is. Others might be able to, but I doubt how easy they fall considering that even though they're not shounen characters doesn't mean they're mentally weak and prone to ptsd.

I'm not a Fate expert but from what I've seen I can name some FSN servants if caught in Falling Devils mental attack are fucked

Saber: I don't like Fate Zero since its basically a fuck you to Saber even though in my opinion FSN is already a fuck you to Saber even more so because of Gil Medea and Dark Sakura (not that other good guy characters in FSN are not treated just as bad) anyway on both occasions in FZ, when characters have brought up her mental trauma she quickly falls mentally and doesn't fight back either by not defending herself in the King's Banquet even though by all rights she was right or when she was forced to face one of her former knights which mentally broke her for a bit refusing to fight back before eventually mentally recovering enough to kill him. That's not mentioning she's already pretty mentally broken by FSN and her goal is to literally erase herself from history, so hopefully someone else can do what she failed to do and in exchange become an eternal slave to the CF and doesn't even think she deserves happiness even though she's one of the few characters who has a way to get eternal happiness anytime she wanted to in Avalon.

Heracles: Assuming he's even sane enough to perceive what the hell is happening probably falls to based on how he was corrupted and turned into Alcides in FSF, where he is forced to relive his life if my memory of the manga is correct. However, he's probably too insane for that to happen.

Medea: I don't know about Fates Medea besides FSN and what was revealed in the Turas Realta manga nor do I want to, but from what I've seen of her, she wouldn't handle it well since she's already pretty fucked up in the head thanks to her past, and probably would not take it well being forced to face her trauma again.

Emiya: From what I've seen of him probably doesn't take it well either since his goal in FSN was to erase himself from existence since he hated the situation he has put himself in thanks to his past decisions and hates his literal past self with a passion and tried to kill any chance he gets.

Just because a character is mentally strong enough to strug off really strong mind-manipulation hax does not make them a sane person. No sane person would think it's okay to rape a person especially make a whole damn speech about how happy the person should be that he chose to rape them, and that's not even accounting for his myth where he raped basically half his kingdom, which if I'm not mistaken is still canon to his Fate version. Which means his I'm more evi thanks to being in this era is a bullshit excuse when he's always been that much of an asshole.

For example, while I think Touma is just fine mentally, many others think he is a broken person despite the fact he has shrugged off billions of years of torture without any rest and then proceeded to immediately following that torture stay true to himself and protect his torturer from the world and understand her better than anyone else then proceeded to do this again but on a smaller scale in the most recent arc of Toaru. Yet hardly anybody here calls him sane.

You can be deranged but still strong-willed.

They are also scaling the Falling Devil from the Gun Devil... when we only ever saw it as pieces of it's former self, not the real thing:

As a primordial shouldn't she still be above in hierarchy to the super buffed Gun Devil? Shouldn't she scale? Gun Devil was considered a Mook in comparison to the darkness devil

You haven't been looking at the whole thing, especially when it feels like someone is going to try and go for "The Falling Devil's ability is equivalent to an Authority because I said so" sooner or later.

 

[Paxton]

Well, I guess I stand corrected then.

Still, they're not really wrong about scaling the Primordial Devils above the Gun Devil.
I don't see anything wrong with that at least.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Well, I guess I stand corrected then.

Still, they're not really wrong about scaling the Primordial Devils above the Gun Devil.
I don't see anything wrong with that at least.

You are misunderstanding my point with that.
Scaling the Primordial Devils above the Gun Devil is alright but:

1) We have never seen the truly completed Gun Devil to compare to them adequately
2) We have no idea where they actually scale towards each other at all which is another SB tier nonsensical thing which means the Falling Devil can scale anywhere they want it to as long as "it's not ridiculous"

 

[Masterblack06]

Zeke [Attack On Titan] VS Starkiller [Starwars the force unleashed]

Can Starkiller take down the beast titan? VS Rules: ● Both Bloodlusted. ● Starting distance are 75 meters. ● Game/Novel/Comic feats are allowed for starkiller. ● Zeke has a few dozen boulders he can use. ● Both have Knowledge on eachother. ● Victory by death/incap. Who wins?

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[Adamant soul]

Zeke [Attack On Titan] VS Starkiller [Starwars the force unleashed]

Can Starkiller take down the beast titan? VS Rules: ● Both Bloodlusted. ● Starting distance are 75 meters. ● Game/Novel/Comic feats are allowed for starkiller. ● Zeke has a few dozen boulders he can use. ● Both have Knowledge on eachother. ● Victory by death/incap. Who wins?

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Galen Marek pulled a fucking STAR DESTROYER out of the God Damned sky.

I know people go full Jelly Town with regards to Star Wars, but how the hell you even try to argue this one is beyond me?

 

[Claudio Swiss]

The Next DEATH BATTLE is Killia Zoldyck (Hunter X Hunter) vs Misaka Mikoto (A Certain Scientific Railgun)

Revealed at the end of Dark Souls vs Skyrim,the next matchup involves two young anime prodigies who weaponise the power of electricity to deal devastating damage to their opponents. It's Killua Zoldyck from Hunter x Hunter vs Misaka Mikoto from A Certain Scientific Railgun: Who do you think...

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[Paxton]

Galen Marek pulled a fucking STAR DESTROYER out of the God Damned sky.

I know people go full Jelly Town with regards to Star Wars, but how the hell you even try to argue this one is beyond me?

Levi Ackermann [AOT] VS Various Jedi [Starwars]

Can the Titan Slayer Suceed? Levi is essentielly running a gauntlet of 3 Jedi and gets set back to top condition after each fight. Rules: ● Disney Canon Jedi are used. ● Levi at his absolute strongest with his best Gear + Thunderspears. ● Both he and his opponent have knowledge on...

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[Masterblack06]

Galen Marek pulled a fucking STAR DESTROYER out of the God Damned sky.

I know people go full Jelly Town with regards to Star Wars, but how the hell you even try to argue this one is beyond me?

they are saying starkiller neg diffs but like


why was this thread even made

 

[Cryso Agori]

Coronzon is acausal and not affected by time. And can literally step right into the Time Temple if she wants

Coronzon isn't acausual, nor not affected by time.

She would survive the incineration by the fact that past 1904, she isn't on earth but in whatever phase the demon resides in. Lola Stuart would probably be killed since Goetia's incineration ritual also burned the reverse side and killed everything there.

 

[Paxton]

Coronzon isn't acausual, nor not affected by time.

She would survive the incineration by the fact that past 1904, she isn't on earth but in whatever phase it resides in. Lola Stuart would probably be killed since Goetia's incineration ritual also burned the reverse side and killed everything there.

Why would Coronzon's main avatar even be harmed by his incineration to begin with?

 

[Cryso Agori]

Why would Coronzon's main avatar even be harmed by his incineration to begin with?

Coronzon's best feat for her physical body and soul was tanking Accel channeling the force of shaking the galaxy into her, which is solar system level.

Like I said, Goetia's incineration ritual burned the reverse side, killing characters like Scathath, which is why she's summonable despite being immortal iirc. And I'm pretty sure there are a few characters in that level there

I could be wrong though.

 

[Paxton]

Coronzon directly scales to the nerfed Magic Gods who Aleister could only "drive off" with the Big Bang Bomb + Blasting Rod combo, so I'd say solar system level is a bit of a low-end for her.


Hell, the same Magic Gods repeatedly state that they can destroy the world (even while in their nerfed state) but are unable to remake it afterwards, which given said statement of Aleister being unable to kill them... likely isn't referring to the planet.

 

[Cryso Agori]

@Xhominid The Apex how powerful was the incineration ritual? Could it kill a character with solar system level dura? (Mind, tanking that separated Coronzon's soul from her body, but both survived and were active.)

 

[Paxton]

Or we could just say Aleister's an idiot for not nuking the Magic Gods who had no immortality to speak of nor the durability to withstand a x10 amplified Big Bang to the face



That certainly would be an option

 

[Astaro]

Coronzon isn't acausual, nor not affected by time. She would survive the incineration by the fact that past 1904, she isn't on earth but in whatever phase the demon resides in. Lola Stuart would probably be killed since Goetia's incineration ritual also burned the reverse side and killed everything there.

Got weaker mages than her like St. Germain that have achieved acausality through the same Magic system Coronzon literally governs and Lilith can’t do anything against her beyond defend against her attacks.

“You had failed to defeat me from the beginning.” Coronzon whispered sweetly from close enough to embrace the silver girl. “It does not matter if you use all the power of this temple or amplify and weaponize everything you can throw at me.”

Black Cat Witch Mina Mathers…no, Baby Lilith held in the woman’s arms held out a tiny hand.
But Coronzon only scoffed.

“Try it then. Kee hee hee. I am the ruler of the Abyss and the guardian of the knowledge beyond. No miracle reliant on the Sephiroth or the Qliphoth can kill me. Because I control who ascends and descends the tree.”

“…”

“If you doubt me, then use your miracles until your soul is no more. You will be no more successful than your father. Your miracles can only shake the invisible power, so it cannot reach me while I am protected by a physical body made of flesh and blood. Contact with you will not trigger mutual annihilation. I cannot afford to become the joker in a game of old maid, but you are not my match. Let us hope that I can be safely destroyed by the reaction I receive to the annihilation of everything else in the world.

Also that quote from @Mr.OMG about Archangels not affected by time

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

@Xhominid The Apex how powerful was the incineration ritual? Could it kill a character with solar system level dura? (Mind, tanking that separated Coronzon's soul from her body, but both survived and were active.)

I'm not perfectly sure because I do know the Lion King was able to walk past the Incineration but she was basically made Immortal and a Goddess by Rhongomyniad at that point which is WHEW!

And I mean, the games technically scale Goetia to his Human Incineration Plan now so he's Galaxy tier so I guess he can kill characters with Solar System level Durability with it.
Also:

Coronzon isn't acausual, nor not affected by time.

She would survive the incineration by the fact that past 1904, she isn't on earth but in whatever phase the demon resides in. Lola Stuart would probably be killed since Goetia's incineration ritual also burned the reverse side and killed everything there.

Goetia burned 3000 years of Human History right down to each second per second from 2016 to the late BC period(or Mesopotamia if you want to be factual), while it was able to kill Scathath and burn various parts of the Underworld and Reverse Side, it only did so because those was connected more with Reality Space.
So yeah, there are limits to what he can burn with it but again, if we are giving him the Temple of Time and AAS pointblank, then he pretty has Corozaon dead to rights on the spot.

 

[Type-Rey]

Why do people here know less about Goetia than people on SB ?

Ffs, have a twinge of self awareness

 

[Paxton]

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

To be fair, most of these guys barely even know about Goetia outside of SB just throwing shit around so it makes sense they would barely know Goetia's capabilities and stopgaps.
But again, we have a thread that has talked about Goetia plenty of times and you think they would atleast make the token effort of reading it, especially when Paxton rates every one of my posts there.

EDIT: I mean @Thegoldenboy2188 does Corozaon have any Soul Protection of any kind? Because Goetia can literally destroy her Soul by ripping it from her body just by looking at her. He did it to Ritsuka which caused the Hell Tower Event and the only reason they didn't die there was due to allowing Dantes to do whatever he wanted to kill them.