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That type of stuff should belong in the FGO gaming thread, not the Nasu Discussion Thread because as Rey rightfully points out, that shit is easily found in Reddit and not worthy of discussion.
>magoichis VA is satania
>KSUWABE handled Hattori
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Motherfucker Jebaited me, I thought it was danciao at first glance
>KSUWABE handled Hattori
Wew
Motherfucker Jebaited me, I thought it was danciao at first glance
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In terms of DC or raw power, where are all the Lostbelt kings sitting ? Star level or Large Planet Level ?
Just to throw my 2 Cents in there:
Lostbelt Ivan The Terrible: Large Planetary+ - Solar System+(The latter is if you take Caenis' word that he's as strong as Machine God Zeus and Caenis' word has merit as she met him personally)
Lostbelt Skadi: As we've seen her, she's probably below Planetary to an unknown degree, full strength would most likely have her well into Large Planetary+
Lostbelt Qin Shi Huang: You can argue Star due to QSH apparently being on par with a Grand and thus should atleast stack to King Hassan or be there but again, this is me spitballing. But you can also stick him at Large Planetary+
Lostbelt God Arjuna: Who fucking knows... no seriously, he's the hardest Lostbelt King to really place due to the nature of how his powers worked precisely. If you want to take his comparison with Lostbelt Zeus seriously, you could put him at Star.
Lostbelt Zeus: Easiest one to do as he's Solar System+ due to the maximum he was able to do at 35%.
Lostbelt Morgan: She's probably the second hardest to do as while she is sitting on an assload of power due to her basically gaming the system who knows how many times, her real power is more or less the Twelve Rhongomyniads she created rather than her own might(Not helped as it's all but stated Melusine and Woodwose are superior to her in all stats). She does effortlessly scale to Caster Artoria creating an Anti-Purge Defense that blocks Albion's Dragon Breath which is effortlessly Large Planetary+ so...
Lostbelt ORT: The easiest one at Galaxy due to being the only being literally fully incorporate a Tree of Emptiness inside of itself(Unlike Surtr in which he just benefited from some of it's power when he ate it) and whether it matters if it's a real galaxy or not, it's still enough of an equivalent in terms of magical energy and other details that it's a distinction without a difference(like most shit in the Nasuverse lore when it comes to that sort of deal).
This is my opinion and me just doing a little bit of thinking but I think most of the Lostbelt Kings are around Star tier, with the weakest being at Large Planetary+ and only one genuinely being at Galaxy.
Lostbelt Ivan The Terrible: Large Planetary+ - Solar System+(The latter is if you take Caenis' word that he's as strong as Machine God Zeus and Caenis' word has merit as she met him personally)
Lostbelt Skadi: As we've seen her, she's probably below Planetary to an unknown degree, full strength would most likely have her well into Large Planetary+
Lostbelt Qin Shi Huang: You can argue Star due to QSH apparently being on par with a Grand and thus should atleast stack to King Hassan or be there but again, this is me spitballing. But you can also stick him at Large Planetary+
Lostbelt God Arjuna: Who fucking knows... no seriously, he's the hardest Lostbelt King to really place due to the nature of how his powers worked precisely. If you want to take his comparison with Lostbelt Zeus seriously, you could put him at Star.
Lostbelt Zeus: Easiest one to do as he's Solar System+ due to the maximum he was able to do at 35%.
Lostbelt Morgan: She's probably the second hardest to do as while she is sitting on an assload of power due to her basically gaming the system who knows how many times, her real power is more or less the Twelve Rhongomyniads she created rather than her own might(Not helped as it's all but stated Melusine and Woodwose are superior to her in all stats). She does effortlessly scale to Caster Artoria creating an Anti-Purge Defense that blocks Albion's Dragon Breath which is effortlessly Large Planetary+ so...
Lostbelt ORT: The easiest one at Galaxy due to being the only being literally fully incorporate a Tree of Emptiness inside of itself(Unlike Surtr in which he just benefited from some of it's power when he ate it) and whether it matters if it's a real galaxy or not, it's still enough of an equivalent in terms of magical energy and other details that it's a distinction without a difference(like most shit in the Nasuverse lore when it comes to that sort of deal).
This is my opinion and me just doing a little bit of thinking but I think most of the Lostbelt Kings are around Star tier, with the weakest being at Large Planetary+ and only one genuinely being at Galaxy.
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Morgan >> Melusine.
Actually section 23 melusine admit the one who can fighting her in full power is Morgan and Barghest True Form and Section 3 Castoria mentioned Morgan magical energy is stronger than all tam lin .
Isn't Lostbelt King 7 is Kukulkan ? How strong she is ?
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Kuku is solar system+
That doesn't defeat the point though? Morgan being able to fight Melusine at full power =/= she's stronger than Melusine, same with Morgan's Magical Energy being stronger than the Tam Lin > being stronger than the full power of the Tam Lin.
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But you quote melusine being above Morgan meanwhile the former admit the latter can push her at full power and there another statement Morgan is magical energy is stronger than her tamlin. You said Melusine is better than Morgan in all stat.
Yes she is, but she is just king in name only since she doesn't do any ruling nor does she have anything to do with lostbelt's progress.
In practice LB7 has no king since the tree is absorbed by ORT.
Kuku is undoubtedly the strongest of LB kings
Morgan is basically the embodiment of weak but skilled. Her opponent may have stronger stats, but her skill is such that she can beat those with better stats.
Case in point, her fight against Wryneck. Wryneck is stronger than her, but her skill allows her to narrowly beat him
Morgan defies conventional mage logic like Aoko does
No one expects her to do shit like square up with wryneck and go "Take this big ass nuke to the face or no balls"
No one expects her to do shit like square up with wryneck and go "Take this big ass nuke to the face or no balls"
Which Melusine is because as a part of the strongest Dragon of them all, it's pretty apparent how strong Melusine Albion is. This also ignores that how Morgan's Magical Energy levels work in context to Lostbelt 6 and her getting Magical Energy from everyone for her plan against Cernunnos which Melusine was pointing out.
Yeah, that's the best way to say it. Nasu basically stated that Morgan at her core is a pragmatist like Shiki Tohno and will use whatever means to win against her opponents. Nothing stated at all she came at Wryneck or Woodwose head on at the typical format of a Mage fight, and it would be the same for Melusine and Barghest as well.
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Her being strongest dragon is one what made her dangerous but there no statement of her strongest than Morgan. She is just strongest Tam Lin.
However you forget the fact Albion was fatally wounded by a weapon that Morgan used in the past long before she got her superior spear ,Rhongomyniad.
Melusine is never pointed that out. Castoria is the one who mention Morgan magical energy is higher than all tamlin. There no mentioned about her sitting throne made her strongest than them. Melusine also know Morgan during her time as Savior Aesc which mean she know how strong the latter.
Woodwose also mentioned has Percival use his noble phantasm during his fight against Melusine in Robin Redbeast Tournament she will get fatal injured/nearly death and that is get proved in section 28.
Nasu talking about Tonelico. That was his statement. But we talking about Morgan who ruled fae for 2000 years. We just simple don't know about how different their fighting style between the latter and her younger self as savior.
In fact during her first time she appeared as Morgan she take down all of the six clan. That is before she get Rhongomyniad and get mentioned in section 19 and section 24.
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And you don't realize that the Weapon Morgan had in the past came from the Nasuverse Earth and not her own power?
Yes, because all of her Clones benefit from Morgan sitting on the Throne, what the hell are you even talking about?! Finally, you keep trying to put in "power" as just power when that means an assload of different things. You ignore the hell out of the fact that Morgan was taught by Odin and got memories from her PHH self which is what made her truly knowledgeable beyond compare to do ludicrous as shit exploits(Like changing her Lostbelt into a Lostworld).
This is like saying because Rin was able to hurt Heracles through his God Hand with her Gems, she can absolutely hurt Melusine by punching her in the face.
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You really aren't paying attention at all, aren't you? I'm not going to argue this shit again, Nasu talked about that moment with Tonelico, yes, but did you forget Morgan was going to snipe Castoria over faking that she died just to fulfill her own battle lust? Or the fact she ganked you with 3 Clones when even one had the absolutely monstrous group tired as hell from fighting her?
Those are Shiki Tohno-Tier tactics and not remotely how Mages tend to fight(In which they just duel you straight up). You are basically inventing things from what the game or Nasu tells you without really thinking it through at all.
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I know about that. However you forget Rhongomyniad is superior than spear of selection. That is a weapon a design for to take down Cernunos and made by her own power.
Because Melusine admit the one who can fighting her in full power is Morgan and Barghest Calamity Form.
Summer morgan also summoned the clone without the throne itself which is debunk of your claim.
The throne is irrelevant; it is designed solely to keep fairies alive, and that's why Morgan desperately clings to the throne until her last breath. Section 10 mentions that the throne is designed to destroy the Great Calamity, and Section 20 reiterates the same. Section 26 provides an explanation of the throne's function, using 12 Rhongomyniad to destroy Cernunos, and Section 29 echoes the same information. That's why Morgan is waiting for Cernunos to appear and is concerned about why he hasn't appeared in Section 10.
I know about that. However one of Morgan we fight is still holding back because she still not use of her one of 12 Rhongomyniad. Da Vinci stated of that.
I agree we drail too much this discussion.
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You two calm down