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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Atem said:
Which also means Viltrum can survive a direct shot from it. If it goes down the same way, and it needs three Viltrumites on top of that to destroy the planet.
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We gotta see or at least the show imply a Viltrumite can survive that

Even in the scene it’s shown, Nolan himself says it’s something that can destroy anything and a huge threat if it’s as powerful as the story’s describe

 
Astaro said:
We gotta see or at least the show imply a Viltrumite can survive that

Even in the scene it’s shown, Nolan himself says it’s something that can destroy anything and a huge threat if it’s as powerful as the story’s describe

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That's why I said if. In the comic book? It's used to soften their planet Viltrum, before three viltrumites fly through it and destroy it. As the gun, by itself, wasn't enough.
 
Atem said:
That's why I said if. In the comic book? It's used to soften their planet Viltrum, before three viltrumites fly through it and destroy it. As the gun, by itself, wasn't enough.
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Shows deviated a fair bit from the comic so far. Just look at Battle Beast.

The gun’s gotten quite the upgrade here too so it’s too early to start saying Star level Omni-Man
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
The funny thing is... I already know this is wrong and he explicitly fished for these because even in Tsukihime Remake, Shiki Tohno does some absolutely stupid shit because of his Nanaya Bloodline and even then, considering how much of a glowup Dead Apostles get in the Remake... these are some insanely bad low ends.
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They just cherrypicked the low ends. From TsukiR you also have:

Lighting mode Roa moving at lighting speed.
Arcueid's chains tagging Roa in his lighting mode, with the narrator explicitly stating you can't avoid them even moving at lighting speed.
Arcueid flying past the clouds in an instant.
Arcueid reacting to Calvaria Star, which is a near-instant city-spanning light reflector. You can see she jumped at least a block or whatever going by where she's firing her claw swipes to land right where Ciel was.
Shiki catching Calvaria Star in order to use it against the Luminary.
Shiki having time to use his gravity control spell from 200 meters away from his target while falling at FTL speed towards Arc's core (stated to be a speed that doesn't exist in reality, passing through "countless stars").

They also messed up the timeframe in the scene where Arcueid blitzed Ciel. Since it was mentioned it takes Ciel 0.2 seconds to nock an arrow, aim and fire. So "the span of a second it takes Ciel to nock an arrow" is below 0.2 seconds and not a full second like the dude claimed.
 
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They just cherrypicked the low ends. From TsukiR you also have:

Lighting mode Roa moving at lighting speed.
Arcueid's chains tagging Roa in his lighting mode, with the narrator explicitly stating you can't avoid them even moving at lighting speed.
Arcueid flying past the clouds in an instant.
Arcueid reacting to Calvaria Star, which is a near-instant city-spanning light reflector. You can see she jumped at least a block or whatever going by where she's firing her claw swipes to land right where Ciel was.
Shiki catching Calvaria Star in order to use it against the Luminary.
Shiki having time to use his gravity control spell from 200 meters away from his target while falling at FTL speed towards Arc's core (stated to be a speed that doesn't exist in reality, passing through "countless stars").

They also messed up the timeframe in the scene where Arcueid blitzed Ciel. Since it was mentioned it takes Ciel 0.2 seconds to nock an arrow, aim and fire. So "the span of a second it takes Ciel to nock an arrow" is below 0.2 seconds and not a full second like the dude claimed.
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Thanks, I knew for a fact they cherrypicked feats as they also did that for Samurai Remnant while lying about other, even more easily provable feats.
 

That has a number of problems.

First, it's questionable whether Gunha was equally casual in a casual fight against another Level 5 as against a random person.
Then it's a 30% railgun. The canonical sped if just Mach 3. 30% of that makes it subsonic. Or Mach 1.5 if we go with 30% energy instead.
Then comes that Gunha probably moved less than the railgun when he caught it, so he didn't need to be equal speed to it in that instance.
And then we have that Junko only really could keep up with Gunha once she got that extra boost she doesn't have here.

So she downscales a lot from something Mach 3 if we go that route.

Yor can hit a tennis ball with supersonic speed and is faster than Nightfall who manages to swing her racket fast enough to block it after it already closed in on her.

So I don't think they actually are far apart speed wise.
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This dishonest fuck is actually saying Misaka's railgun is only mach 3 when anyone with a brain can tell that a metal coin going at those speeds isn't capable of knocking over cars and tearing through concrete like a hot knife through butter.
 
Regular-Nothing Eric said:
I thought the original comic continuity of Omniman was well superior and beyond the TV version in stats at least?
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Rn I think he is but Omni-man surviving near a blackhole nor Space Racer's gun blowing up a star was not in the comic but were added in the show.

Atem's point is that if the destruction of Viltrum stays the same in the show, as in the comic Space Racer uses his gun to weaken the core of Viltrum before Mark, Nolan, and Thaddeus fully smash it apart, that would make those three star level, since the core would survive a star level blast.
 
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This dishonest fuck is actually saying Misaka's railgun is only mach 3 when anyone with a brain can tell that a metal coin going at those speeds isn't capable of knocking over cars and tearing through concrete like a hot knife through butter.
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That has a number of problems.

First, it's questionable whether Gunha was equally casual in a casual fight against another Level 5 as against a random person.
Then it's a 30% railgun. The canonical sped if just Mach 3. 30% of that makes it subsonic. Or Mach 1.5 if we go with 30% energy instead.
Then comes that Gunha probably moved less than the railgun when he caught it, so he didn't need to be equal speed to it in that instance.
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Mach 3 is the often said number but it’s plainly obvious her Railgun hits way harder and faster than the speed of the average bullet. And if we go by novel descriptions, her Railgun has also been described as “superluminal” in speed too.



And then we have that Junko only really could keep up with Gunha once she got that extra boost she doesn't have here.
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Wrong. Senya did not provide any boost to Junko’s stats. All she did was alleviate the strain her Unrestricted Rampage Dress normally puts on her. It was still her own speed and power that she was fighting Gunha with.

So she downscales a lot from something Mach 3 if we go that route.

Yor can hit a tennis ball with supersonic speed and is faster than Nightfall who manages to swing her racket fast enough to block it after it already closed in on her.

So I don't think they actually are far apart speed wise.
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There’s a huge speed difference. The average human level fighter in Index is at least a lightning timer in average at this point and Junko is among the top of that tier. It’s like this person is forgetting catching Misaka’s Railgun between his teeth isn’t Gunha’s only speed feat.

 
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Astaro said:
Mach 3 is the often said number but it’s plainly obvious her Railgun hits way harder and faster than the speed of the average bullet. And if we go by novel descriptions, her Railgun has also been described as “superluminal” too.




Wrong. Senya did not provide any boost to Junko’s stats. All she did was alleviate the strain her Unrestricted Rampage Dress normally puts on her. It was still her own speed and power that she was fighting Gunha with.


There’s a huge speed in difference. The average human level fighter in Index is at least a lightning timer in average at this point and Junko is among the top of that tier. It’s like this person is forgetting catching Misaka’s Railgun between his teeth isn’t Gunha’s only speed feat.

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Astral Buddy chapter 11 (I believe) has her react to someone amplifying light and using it as a form of attack, don't forget that.



 
Paxton said:
Astral Buddy chapter 11 (I believe) has her react to someone amplifying light and using it as a form of attack, don't forget that.



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She was aim dodging for that one to make it easier to avoid Iruka’s lasers. Scaling as faster than Gunha or Mugino is enough anyway
 
One thing I find funny on space battles, is the user lost paragon, he hates overlord so much he's written a massive fic just so he can have konosuba characters and mha characters destroy nazarick. But his hatred means he hasn't read/touched overlord properly in years thus he just gets shit wrong/doesn't know what he's talking about anytime nazarick denizens, items or mechanics are present in the story. (He thinks ainz gave shalltear her dress/seems to think ainz was involved in her creation and seems to think the book of the dead is a world class item that required evil karma to use)

Im honestly jealous in some ways, I wish I had that much sheer creative spite to write for four years to fulfill my revenge fantasies against characters that don't exist and can't even properly remember.
 
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