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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

the person below is right about gorillas being gentle, theres just one small issue here

i was under the assumption that for these fights we assume the animals are bloodlusted

otherwise i think if you had a hundred people gathered together a gorilla probably would run off cause its just not worth fighting a hundred people

but then theres no fight so wtf is the point
 
I mean, if we’re talking humans at least with spears, a hundred of them is overkill on the gorilla
Even without spears, a hundred unarmed humans can just pick up rocks and eventually stone almost anything that walks on land to death.

Stones would certainly not hurt any animal with thick hides, but it does not need to- all we need to do is go prehistoric, keep them on the run for four to five days and watch as they drop from exhaustion and overheat. Humans are not made for strength, we have stamina builds for a reason.
 
Even without spears, a hundred unarmed humans can just pick up rocks and eventually stone almost anything that walks on land to death.

Stones would certainly not hurt any animal with thick hides, but it does not need to- all we need to do is go prehistoric, keep them on the run for four to five days and watch as they drop from exhaustion and overheat. Humans are not made for strength, we have stamina builds for a reason.
The advantage of being bipedal and built for low energy jogging
 
Yeah no, most of these debates arent "the humans vs an animal thats just gonna run" its "unarmed humans vs an animal thats trying to kill and wont run"

Your not stoning an elephant to death
your getting fucking killed
 
Your not stoning an elephant to death
Tell that to the larger wooly mammoths we hunted to extinction with sticks and stones.

:hestonpls

There's literally nothing in the world that a hundred humans can't hunt. Ten or twenty men, I can see them losing to the starting rampage. But a hundred working together, no chance.
 
Tell that to the larger wooly mammoths we hunted to extinction with sticks and stones.

:hestonpls

There's literally nothing in the world that a hundred humans can't hunt. Ten or twenty, I can see losing. But a hundred, no chance.
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thats not unarmed fam
also how you gonna compare us to the absolute monsters that our ancestors are
We were not beating wolly mammoths bare handed homeboy
:heston
 
:catwut:

thats not unarmed fam
also how you gonna compare us to the absolute monsters that our ancestors are
We were not beating wolly mammoths bare handed homeboy
:heston
Yeah the post clearly said unarmed as in Xcano is such a stupid fuck he thinks we can take on Elephants with our bare hands. The only way a hundred humans can possibly beat an elephant with their bare hands is if it's a very sick and nearly dying elephant, they use the landscape to trick it into a ditch or cliff or they have such fanatical zeal or lack of fear they proceed to just dogpile and slow it down through sheer volume of dead bodies to where they can get lucky and just pick it's eyes out, but that is easier said than done, especially when almost no human being is that brave, or stupid, to get near those things in a fight.
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Yeah the post clearly said unarmed as in Xcano is such a stupid fuck he thinks we can take on Elephants with our bare hands. The only way a hundred humans can possibly beat an elephant with their bare hands is if it's a very sick and nearly dying elephant, they use the landscape to trick it into a ditch or cliff or they have such fanatical zeal or lack of fear they proceed to just dogpile and slow it down through sheer volume of dead bodies to where they can get lucky and just pick it's eyes out, but that is easier said than done, especially when almost no human being is that brave, or stupid, to get near those things in a fight.
:maury
like yeah 100 dudes can beat a lot of things on land barehanded but we gotta at least be realistic
 
also how you gonna compare us to the absolute monsters that our ancestors are
The physical capabilities of the ancestors are widely exaggerated, evolution does not happen quickly enough for humans to have changed that quickly in a couple thousand years. Your mammoth hunting caveman would not be physically different from a tribal African or Indian whose lived in the wild his whole life.
thats not unarmed fam
They begin unarmed, the elephant manages to kill around ten or twenty in the starting rampage as the rest retreat to a safer distance and regroup. Then they unleash hell upon the beast.

If you're expecting humans to just bullrush the animal in one go, then that's stupid. You're taking away the strongest tool given to our species, our greatest weapon- the mind. There's nothing saying the hundred humans just can't run away at the start to forage the spears and stones. I've talked to people from tribes in Bengal who occasionally hunt tigers and elephants with wooden sticks in groups of ten so I'm pretty sure that a hundred humans do defeat anything on land.

Barehanded and stupid though, an elephant or a rhino has thick enough hide that nothing we do would even register to them unless we somehow manage to poke out the eye. That's not gonna happen against an elephant, especially so I would agree with you on that.
 
The physical capabilities of the ancestors are widely exaggerated, evolution does not happen quickly enough for humans to have changed that quickly in a couple thousand years.
couple thousand
bro that was 14K Years. What do you mean a couple thousand
Also evolution can happen fast or slow there is no set amount of time that has to pass
Your mammoth hunting caveman would not be physically different from a tribal African or Indian whose lived in the wild his whole life.

They begin unarmed, the elephant manages to kill around ten or twenty in the starting rampage as the rest retreat to a safer distance and regroup. Then they unleash hell upon the beast.
Thats the problem dawg, your using your head
when these people say unarmed
they mean with their bare fucking hands

This shit stemed from people on tiktok thinking that in a 1v1 a man can easily handle ANY breed of dog barehanded. You underestimated just how stupid these niggas really are
:heston
 
fwiw i do think in natural circumstances a hundred people would absolutely win, the issue is the vs matchup is not natural circumstances, if it were its more likely than anything that the animal would see a mob of a hundred people and decide it isnt worth it and leave

and morons think those hundred people would just zerg rush a bloodlusted elephant and idk kick it in the knees or something, when what'd really happen is it'd just thunder at them and trample everyone
fist fighting a hypothetical bloodlusted elephant might as well be like fist fighting a monster truck

to play devils advocate though, this isnt counting stamina

like the tiger or bear could probably maul a dozen or two dozen unarmed humans if theyre just trying to rush and fist fight it, a better question i think is how long until the tiger gets exhausted from just one shotting people
 
fwiw i do think in natural circumstances a hundred people would absolutely win, the issue is the vs matchup is not natural circumstances, if it were its more likely than anything that the animal would see a mob of a hundred people and decide it isnt worth it and leave

and morons think those hundred people would just zerg rush a bloodlusted elephant and idk kick it in the knees or something, when what'd really happen is it'd just thunder at them and trample everyone
fist fighting a hypothetical bloodlusted elephant might as well be like fist fighting a monster truck

to play devils advocate though, this isnt counting stamina

like the tiger or bear could probably maul a dozen or two dozen unarmed humans if theyre just trying to rush and fist fight it, a better question i think is how long until the tiger gets exhausted from just one shotting people
Like I said, there are a lot of animals 100 niggas can for sure take down, we'd loose a shit ton of people but its doable

elephants? hippos? fuck no
:heston
 
Alright, hypothetically — 100 barehanded, unarmed men versus an elephant that's aggressively fighting to kill and won't retreat — here's the breakdown:

Short answer:
Almost certainly not.
The 100 men would likely get slaughtered unless they coordinated perfectly and accepted huge losses.

Longer answer:

Elephant facts: Adult elephants weigh between 6,000 to 14,000 pounds (2,700–6,400 kg), have thick skin (up to 1.5 inches / 4 cm), can run up to 25 mph (40 km/h), and have insane strength. One swing of its trunk or stomp can literally crush a human.

Human facts: Even 100 strong men can't easily harm something that size without tools. Bare hands can't puncture or damage thick elephant hide or major arteries.

Tactics:

They might try to swarm it — climbing on it, gouging eyes, trying to suffocate it by covering the trunk, going for ears/mouth/eyes.

The first 20–40 men would almost certainly be trampled, gored, or thrown before they even got close enough.

If the elephant is panicking but still aggressively fighting, it would probably kill dozens before being overwhelmed, if ever.

Conclusion:
If everything went perfectly (perfect teamwork, no fear, coordinated attack on sensitive areas like eyes/trunk/mouth), they might eventually kill or incapacitate it — but at catastrophic loss, like 70–90% casualties or more.
In most realistic cases? Elephant wins.

:hestonpls
 
i think the 100 humans could win if they use some sort of supernatural chi power to astral project all their punches simultaneously into the enemy and ignore distance so all 100 humans simultaneously get a punch in
 
they use the landscape to trick it into a ditch or cliff or they have such fanatical zeal
Very rarely did actual hunters make use of such traps, like pushing mammoths from mountain edges by tricking them into corners or making them fall into already dug ditches is just a modern glorification of human intelligence.

The chances of animals falling for that was very low, making it an inefficient method to hunt. Ancient humans did not have the commodity of failure, people starved when hunts went unsuccessful so almost nobody took the risk of the animal taking a wrong turn or detecting the trap. They used more successful methods, which involved hunting them for days and killing them when they dropped from exhaustion.

The chances of that failing were pretty low. The chances of the animal taking a wrong turn during the chase and missing the trap entirely is pretty high in comparison.
bro that was 14K Years. What do you mean a couple thousand
I mean, even twenty thousand years is not long enough for a species to change significantly. Evolution is not that quick...
i think is how long until the tiger gets exhausted from just one shotting people
I don't think it would not get exhausted from mauling a hundred people, especially if they just charge at it continously. If anyone has been around mules or horses used by then they'd know animals can keep walking and running just as long as most people can.

Using the woolly mammoth example- the cavemen did not just constantly run for days without breaks behind the mammoth or fight it in rounds until it dropped dead from exhaustion.

The hunting party would follow the mammoth, harass it into running around for a couple of hours and then retreat to put it into a false sense of security. The exhausted animal would seek out food and water, and the hunting party would follow behind it for the same. Then the mammoth and the humans would both drink, eat, and sleep.

The only difference between the two being that humans would be back on their feet for another round of chase and harassment in about an hour or so, whereas the mammoth would still be exhausted from the previous round. This would repeat again and again for several days until the mammoth would either give up or drop from exhaustion. That's what people mean when they say humans have superior stamina.
 
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