Trigger-verse feats, lore & respect discussion

Akko, Lotte & Sucy are hit full on by Vajorois the Mournful's gust of air, which parts the clouds above them.

The clouds seen before she exhales...
...And after.

All magic belongs to one of the four classical elements; water, earth, air and fire.

Yggdrasil is the source of all magic so vast that its branches connects all the stars in the sky, and from its branches witches draw their power.
The original version of this translation says that witches drew infinite magic from it's branches.

Back then, Yggdrasil's branches encompassed the entire world. Its branches held even the stars and planets in place. It was from there that witches drew their infinite magic.

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In the anime of LWA, Leylines are required to travel between Luna Nova and the rest of England.

This backs up that Luna Nova being located in another dimension (something canon to the OVAs) seems to still be canon for the anime.

I forgot to mention that Luna Novis Academy manifests itself in a different dimension. In the normal wold, magic is slowly vanishing, but in the dimension they phase into, magic can be used freely. It makes me think that magic would have to be stowed away and used in a limited capacity.

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It's also worth repeating that the power of the Ley Lines are so great that they warp space & dimensions (I've posted the quote a bunch of times but I'll try to post it again next time.) The quote roughly goes as thus though;

This world exists in a tangle of ley lines and complex magical forces. The superposition of space and dimensions is extreme. As such, some lands can't be reached by foot or vehicle.

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Recovering & reposting several incredibly important scans from the LWA Chronicle...

The power of Yggdrasil is so great that they warp space & dimensions, causing them to superimpose, and creating places that can only be accessed via the leylines.

In this world, where the mystical magic of the hidden world where legends give birth to legends was born and where thousands of years of history have accumulated, there are many lands engraved with legends. A forest where the ultimate magic is sealed by a megalith left by an ancient witch, ruins where dragons sleep, flowers that steak magical powers bloom, and a legendary witch's shrine... This world exists with Ley Lines and complex magical powers entangled, and space and dimensions overlapping occurs. Therefore, some lands cannot be reached on foot or by vehicle. They can be reached by passing through the entrances and exists of Ley Lines, magic gates, etc. For this reason, many legends are often left untouched for thousands of years. Therefore, dangerous magical beasts and magical plants exist in the wild, making it a place where ordinary people would feel in danger. However, if there is danger. there must be something valuable there that no one has obtained. Many witches and humans have passed through the Ley Lines in search of those legends, aiming for legends they have not yet seen. And their feats have been passed down and created more legends. We don't know if all of these legends are true. There may be misunderstandings or lies. But these legends became people's hopes and dreams. The true value of a legend lies in the desire to pursue it.

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Woodward is one of the Nine Old Witches, and so ancient and powerful that she has begun to merge with Yggdrasil; she is a legendary witch who shines a divine light.
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The last surviving Nine Old Witches
Woodward
A legendary witch who emits a divine light and watches over young witches. Having used magic for so many years, she has turned into a magical tree and begun to fuse with Yggdrasil. She appears before a young witch chosen by the seven-star wand "Claiomh Solais" and instructs them to collect the "Seven Words." She is also the founder of Luna Nova Magic Academy, and some of the magic school's instructors call her "Sensei."

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Shiny Arc can unleash an immensely powerful arrow of light, capable of blowing up giant magical monsters or opening up holes in space-time to travel to distant places.
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Shiny Arc
When the first word awakened, the rod transformed into a bow and arrow. By nocking the arrow on the rod, the user can fire a powerful arrow of light. Its power is immense, allowing the user to open a hole in space-time to travel to a distant place, or destroy a giant magical beast in a single blow. Shiny Chariot has performed this magic in shows, captivating many audience members.

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The Shiny Arc can open up holes in dimensions and make monsters explode.
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A magic spell that uses words to transform the Shiny Rod into a bow and then fires a magical arrow. It has the hidden power to make monsters explode or open holes in dimensions. Chariot also performed this spell in her own shows. Its overwhelming power captivated many fans. For Akko, it was one of the spells that Chariot had always admired, and it was also the first spell she herself had ever used.

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superspiral81 said:

There are some excerpts from the TTGL novel that I actually do want, if you have them please.




I tried looking for them but the original raw scans aren't showing up.

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Here you go!

Gurren Lagann novelization - Volume 3 said:

Once upon a time, Spiral-bearing lifeforms, including humans, built a superscientific civilization on a pan-galactic level. The source was Spiral Power. With that infinite power that connects the Universe and life, both time and space where under our control.

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Gurren Lagann novelization - Volume 4 said:

In the blink of an eye, the entire universe is destroyed. That's right. In front of Simon, the scene was exactly as the Anti-Spiral had told it, where the green light erupted from peoples bodies, becoming a galaxy and then becoming a super-galaxy cluster. It's a momentary event. The excess galaxy cluster was born instantly, and due to its enormous gravity time and space is crushed into a dimensionless point. The opposite of the Big Bang, the Big Crunch. All beings returned to nothing. In a moment. This is the Spiral Nemesis. It is the end of the Universe caused by Spiral Power. "No way..." Simon understood. Not only Simon. All living creatures aboard the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann understood. Directly appealing to the brain, not words. And they were eaten by the Universe. Their consciousness was consumed by the labyrinth of the Multiverse that they could never escape.

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A Giga Drill is a collection of materialized Spiral Energy. Gurren Lagann and Ark Gurren Lagann, which require enormous power, can be substantiated for a certain period of time during battle. This is because the operator's burden is too heavy. However, the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann always wears their gigantic Giga Drills on both shouldiers. This is possible only if there is a transcendental spiral engine that produces Super Spiral Power. It was also a symbol of the overwhelming power of the Super Galay Gurren Lagann.

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Constanze gives Akko a list of materials needed to create the Stanship. These include a mithril backstand, adamantium sandpaper, chrondigizon compass, a gas pipe from the Shire, a toothbrush from the Yahoo tribe, an elf fishermans fishing net, Gremlin brand chewing gum & Fafnir's beard (referencing Lord of the Rings, Marvel, Gulliver's Travels & possibly even Digimon).

To repeat what I said in the Death Battles thread, these are some of my thoughts on the DB Predictions blog (in which one can find familiar evidence, & even brand new evidence)...

Technically speaking, the multiverse of Gurren Lagann should also be interconnected with the other cosmologies of the “Triggerverse”, which we’ll touch upon later (it’s not as important of a topic anyways so don’t worry too much about it). But, the main focus will be to consider all the official media for Gurren Lagann as a whole given the in-universe canonical validity of each story.

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Awww, FUCK YEAH!

About time the Triggerverse got referenced! I'm unsure how scaling from Gurren Lagann to other series within works still, but it's always worth bringing up (we will have to wait to see if Luluco season 2 comes out).

• Spatial and Time Manipulation: Within their universe, the Anti-Spiral can transcend time and space and freely control all of the dimensions present. The Anti-Spiral can slice through space and time in their universe stays frozen and only begins to move once enemies arrive.

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This was done by Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann, but given the Anti-Spiral is far beyond SGGL it's pretty safe to assume that the Anti-Spiral can also do this. Everything else is correct.

More impressively, the Anti-Spiral could decide the Visaka-Class’ existence by manipulating death and birth, conjuring them from the void and casting them back into nonbeing.

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I don't actually remember the Anti-Spiral erasing the Visaka (it was defeated by Viral in Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann), though they did conjure it into being.

An erasure extending to the very concept of mammary glands (lol). Through this profound manipulation of form and existential erasure, the Anti-Spiral was able to erase and assimilate the very informational essence of Nia’s being; causing her existence to begin to cease and be erased.

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WHAT?!

Ok this is completely new to me to the point I'm not even sure what this is from. In anycase, good job on finding this DB. Would scale to Yoko (along with an alternate Yomoko being able to throw chalk between universes).

• Was the poster boy of dimensional tiering in the VS community for years

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I remember Gurren Lagann being a counter to dimensional tiering, because back in the day people thought TTGL capped at universal because of the schematics over the word 'universe' being used.

• Has Yoko cheering him on
• Has a beautiful wife

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These two are correct though, objectively.

So to sum this all up, Spiral Power, a spiritual and metaphysical force, spanning and is capable of R>F transcendence and characters have actively utilized it to affect the higher medium their fictional world is within. And of course, this scales back to the main Simon who absorbed the Multiversal Labyrinth and all versions of himself from the past, the present, and the future, which explicitly includes Avant and Otoko. And just before you ask: Simon absorbing Otoko is not considered a R>F disqualifier because the act is carried out through Spiral Power, an energy system that had already demonstrated transcendence. Similarly, Avant engages in a comparable act by absorbing Dai-Gurren in order to break the CD, which aligns with the established capabilities of Spiral Power.

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I'm not sure if Simon absorbed the whole Labyrinth or just the parts/universes that involved him (or versions of himself), but in any case it's the same difference in the end as Simon still scales to all the Simons & all their powers (including Otoko Simon).

Dwarfing cosmological structures such as galaxies or even universes, this form is the apex of Simon’s manipulation of Spiral Energy, finally displaying the necessary strength to match and reach the Anti-Spiral.

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I'm confused if this commentary is talking about the galaxies being universes or something about the Super Spiral Space. Hopefully someone will look into the translation fully one day.

• Otoko Lordgenome combines two energy systems of the drama CD’s universe for an Infinity Big Bang Storm like the Anti-Spiral. He says he twists this into a “twofold dimension” or “20 dimensions” (depends on the translation) for the attack, saying they’ll “burn amidst the hellfire of a universe’s creation”. Otoko Simon’s Dad’s Gurren Lagann struggled against it.
  • Lordgenome says “ni-ju” before mentioning “dimensions”, which can either mean “20” or “double/two-fold/two layers/duplex”, more on this in Cosmology

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• Otoko Lordgenome combines two energy systems of the drama CD’s universe for an Infinity Big Bang Storm like the Anti-Spiral. He says he twists this into a “twofold dimension” or “20 dimensions” (depends on the translation) for the attack, saying they’ll “burn amidst the hellfire of a universe’s creation”. Otoko Simon’s Dad’s Gurren Lagann struggled against it.
  • Lordgenome says “ni-ju” before mentioning “dimensions”, which can either mean “20” or “double/two-fold/two layers/duplex”, more on this in Cosmology

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So this may have been done by a human translator (Hakanai Blue). "Twenty dimensional" & "two-fold dimension" could both be seen as valid translations, but DB favours the latter. The R > F transcendance is more impressive than this, but anyway.

The “Triggerverse” (Just For Funsies)

(no this did not have any impact on the debate this is just for fun)

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Awwwwww...FUCK YEAH!

And inadvertently scaling Simon and his crew, at their very best at least, to the entirety of this “Triggerverse” given the sheer scale of the series. Granted TTGL outscales everything else in Trigger’s catalog of works for… obvious reasons so this section will actually focus on abilities this time around.

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Mathematically that's probably the case (though there's also the zoom-in during the final battle of KLK to consider which could mathematically make it the biggest Trigger series, though if anyone scales to that is still up for debate), though Gridman may actually be more layers into R > F than Gurren Lagann is.

Mostly ones that seemingly are based on willpower and emotions just to see how consistent Studio Trigger is with giving their cast all these zany abilities because humanity is awesome.

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This is why they are the best.

• Kill la Kill
  • Life Fibers possess the ability to take over reality, with Junketsu creating a tangible, alternate reality
  • The Primordial Life Fiber could connect to and absorb Life Fibers from across the past and future of multiple alternate timelinesand would eventually reach critical mass and collapse reality
    • Ryuko and Senketsu could replicate this spontaneously, powering up to Kisaragi
  • Junketsu Shinzui Satsuki compressed the flow of time around herself

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Oh so NOW acknowledge KLK If is acknowledged as being canon.

• Garterbelt survived the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs

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The link for this is broken.

• Humanity’s emotions and belief can be generated into magical energy and is what once sustained the Yggdrasil, the cosmic tree that holds all celestial bodies and is the source of infinite magic

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Yggdrasil also warps space & dimensions even in a near-deathlike space to create pocket worlds, plus the timeloop from Chamber of Time causing the stars to increase in luminousity & affect other dimensions. Yes LWA is way more broken than people give it credit for.

• Space Patrol Luluco
  • A person’s “Will of Justice” can can act as an energy source for weapons, survive otherwise lethal injuries, and revive from death
  • Love, a manifestation of Justice, allowed Luluco to revive from the dead and create constructs, imbue emotions into empty husks like Nothinglings, travel across and distort dimensions, and generate energies comparable to the Big Bang as well as stop a sentient black hole that could swallow and recreate the universe.

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• Promare
  • Burnish powers come from their psychic connection with the Promare akin to a gateway that responds to stimulation from the nerves, and more power relies on synchronization to a degree
  • Intense emotion from the Burnish can cause rapid bursts of power to where they can gain kaiju transformations
  • The Burnish can create constructs with their powers and even recreate limbs
  • Despite Burnish being harmed to near death and forcefully drained of energy, being sufficiently motivated allows them to safely channel ridiculously far more energy without harm

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Great to see LWA, Luluco & Promare getting well deserved attention (although strange that Galo de Lion & the interdimensional nature of the Promare isn't brought up). They are among my all time favourite series!

Also on one final note...given I saw this thread linked in that very blog, I want to say thank you to DB for citing me as a reference and using the stuff I found (as well as other peoples hard work) to make the video, and seeing some of my research even being directly mentioned in the video itself. It meant a lot with Simon & Gurren Lagann/Trigger as it did with Dovahkiin & my TES research!