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B Rabbit said:
Seems kinda like a cop out. Which is no shame, every shounen has one.
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I would agree that it's a cop out.

I don't think Kubo had all the details concerning Isshin in mind when writing the Arrancar arc or we would have at least had a moment where Rangiku and/or Hitsugaya see Isshin or note Ichigo's resemblance to someone they know (which could be mistaken for Kaien to hide the fact they actually mean Isshin).

It's the same as how Rukia would have obviously spotted the similarity between Ichigo and Kaien, but there's nothing to indicate that in Chapter one to explain her otherwise inexplicable behaviour (telling Ichigo anything instead of just memory replacing him on sight).
 


Okay yeah, I'm handing this to Unohana's Dub. I understood what her JPN VA was aiming for but honestly, it just felt too... tryhard? Like she tried to mix both personas at once when Kubo all but implied it's a literal shift entirely.
I feel like Kate Higgins actually understands Unohana far more and actually making her completely psychotic unlike the Japanese VA which makes her too sane which is unironically wrong in this instance.
 
Jap VA was going for a quieter psychopathy with Unohana, portraying it as being below the surface of the illusion of sanity. The English VA simply went went for a more open approach to her psychopathy, letting it out clear for all to hear. I don't necessarily think one is better or more fitting than the other in general. Although for this specific fight where she is supposed be showing her true self, the English VA has the better idea I think. Both good in their own ways though.

Still not really sold on Seitz as Kenpachi, I really liked the Jiraia VA's take on Kenpachi and Seitz just isn't as good IMO. He's a great voice actor, works perfect for Scorpion but therein lies the problem. He's better for characters that carry a lot of anger or hatred, which isn't really Kenpachi if you get what I mean.
 
Adamant soul said:
Jap VA was going for a quieter psychopathy with Unohana, portraying it as being below the surface of the illusion of sanity. The English VA simply went went for a more open approach to her psychopathy, letting it out clear for all to hear. I don't necessarily think one is better or more fitting than the other in general. Although for this specific fight where she is supposed be showing her true self, the English VA has the better idea I think. Both good in their own ways though.
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Eh, my issue is that while the JPN VA is going for a quieter route with her psychopathy, it doesn't really fit that Kubo outright stated that Unohana has two actual personalities and obviously, her true self should be way more unhinged and out there. And as you stated, in this situation, that is the better idea to do.

I would agree if this was more Unohana slowly letting it out while she was still in "Mother of Squad 4" mode, but this is different and why I don't agree with that approach. It's especially weird as I believed how she did it in Bleach Brave Souls fits better for letting her true self out there.
 
So I don't fill up the entire Main Convo with shit from the additions from Bleach's Blu Ray arc, I will instead dump this down instead:

Klub Outside - Kubo Answers Translations

The power of the moustache can't be denied. That's how some fucking sap like Chojiro could even backstab Yhwach. There was minus a moustache. Also, I like how the BD corrects are universally a clear improvement...and then the skeletons somehow look even worse than they already did.
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The conversation between Aizen and Yhwach: Despite the anime depicting Aizen's mouth as already unsealed in this scene, it is confirmed that they were actually conversing through Reiatsu. So it seems that the way it was shown as a normal vocal conversation in the anime was actually a figurative depiction, probably to make it more understandable to the audience. Additionally, it is explicitly confirmed that Aizen used his Kyouka Suigetsu to manipulate Yhwach's sense of time here. Although that was already rather obvious, neither the manga or anime actually confirmed that it was Kyouka Suigetsu's ability until now.
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Nice to be confirmed because otherwise, people are known to be real stupid about this

The war 1,000 years ago: Kubo explicitly states that Sasakibe stabbing Yhwach in the back was the "deciding factor" in his battle with Yamamoto 1,000 years ago. This confirms that scene was an actual flashback to the war 1,000 years ago and not just symbolic as some have argued in the past, and also lends some credence to the fan theories that Sasakibe was intentionally targeted by Yhwach as the first Shinigami to kill.
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Sasakibe officially became a Chad and the theory Yhwach made him the first to die through Bounty has more credence

Ichigo's flower motif: Ichigo's symbolic flower shown at the end of the opening and in the is the gloriosa, or flame lily. In hanakotoba (Japanese flower language), the gloriosa means "courage", hence why it was chosen to represent Ichigo.
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(You can actually see these in the Ichigo eccentric scene at the end of the opening credits and the final episodes credits)

Reiatsu & technique colours: It is confirmed that there are particular reasonings behind the colours of characters' Reiatsu and techniques, though exact details are not given. In Ichigo's case, his normal Reiatsu is yellow, but his Reiatsu was shown changing from yellow to red when he became enraged.
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Ah, so Reiatsu colors can shift based on mood now? Nice

Meninas McAllon: In the storyboarding stage, she was drawn winking in a flirtatious way, however this was cut from the final version. The reason for this is Kubo intends Meninas to be a completely emotionless character.
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Nice way to basically change a one-note character who looks like Orihime and nearly comes off like her too is to basically wholly different now personality wise. She's now a Rei-type now lol.

Berenice Gabrielli's ability: His ability is something along the lines of, "he can make an objection to something, and the opponent is penalized if they fail to overcome that objection." Berenice seems to be able to object to anything, and their opponent is forced to respond. Berenice explains his ability using the German word "sollen", which expresses the idea of something that should be done or the way something ought to be, such as being ordered to do something or being compelled by moral duty. Against Zaraki, Berenice objected to Zaraki's "killing intent". But since his hearing was previously damaged by Jerome, Zaraki did not hear and therefore was not affected by the objection, so responded by simply ripping his throat out.
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What the fuck is this bullshit?! Bernice should definitely be angered at Jerome for fucking him over with that.
 


Shinji's Bankai confirmed to appear in the anime? That's neat I guess.
Gives it SOMETHING at least, even if Rukia's Bankai will still inevitably be the highlight of this section of the arc.

Probably not gonna be enough to save it, especially with at least one actual 0/10 episode already being confirmed (it's in the trailer after all) but we have to take what we can get. :maybe
 
You always come off so pessimistic lol.
It is something to actually bring in Shinji's Bankai during the War and not in CFYOW(I'm guessing Kubo decided to tweak it due to how unbelievably crap it is) but I do like how they are actually making the Vandenreich as an actual Military group like the Seiretei and Las Noches and expand a little more into them.

They are also looking like they will also go further in on Ichigo's training as well but it won't completely suffocate Part 2.
The main thing to hope for is that there's more expansion in the fight scenes and actual feedback into making it all work.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
You always come off so pessimistic lol.
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Hey I went into Cour 1 with the same pessimistic expectations and ended up enjoying it far more than I thought I would. :maybe

It's just made worse here because I because of the Komamura shit and several elements of this cour being not so great to say the least.
 


Okay so the first Episode of Part 2 aired and it seems like there is a big difference from the jump already:
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So apparently Ichigo DID try and leave early but the Squad didn't want him to as he still isn't strong enough yet to fight Yhwach even now...
So it's definitely an interesting reason why he didn't just peace out faster and why Rukia, Renji and Byakuya went down before he did.
 


The prerelease screening of cour 2 is going on in Japan right now, so I thought I would make a thread to gather some of the info that's coming out on Twitter.
  • People are overall very impressed with what they saw. The animation looks amazing as expected and the voice acting is good.
  • The two episodes cover 9 chapters. Probably ending on 551.
  • There's a lot of new scenes in even just these two episodes. Ichigo training with Ichibei, extension of Toshiro and Bazz-B's fight and something with Omaeda have been confirmed.
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I really don't care about Japanese VA as long as they truly impress me so whatever, nice on the animation being great. 9 Chapters per Episode is good enough, better than going One Piece speed or rushing through it like Inuyasha: Final Act. So there was 2 episodes shown and apparently there is alot more new scenes than just the one that was mentioned before with Toshirou and Bazz having an extended fight and maybe even Omaeda has an extra fight scene with BG9?
BG9 is one of the most neglected Sternritter and Sui-Feng absolutely needs to get something from this arc than just being worfed and tossed aside.
  • The Bambi "sex" scene is confirmed to be there.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA... I remember people bitched hardcore about the fanservice being gone(Though the issue is that most of it was just gag scenes that didn't add anything) from the 1st Cour so I guess the studio made sure to soothe people's worries
  • There is more use 3D than in cour 1, but I don't see people being negative about it, at least.
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3D alone isn't bad at all, it's how it's used and how well it's implemented that is the key.
  • In the talk after the screening Kubo said that there will be multiple extra scenes with the bambietta and extra stuff with Ukitake in cour 3. Both these are probably big considering they are being mentioned already. Might be flashbacks for both.
  • There's some screens from the first episode and info on the new ED here: https://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1687676487
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Now THAT is interesting. Bambietta getting extra scenes could mean more of her fight with Komamura, potential backstory and/or seeing her true personality that she hides with her bitch aura that CFYOW brought up.
Also, Ukitake absolutely needs something major as his biggest issue is that his only major thing in the final arc... is basically his death. Give him a fight, show his Bankai, something.
 
Okay so First Episode Review is a go:

The first scene with Yhwach's Origin is both something we knew and surprisingly new at points(So Yhwach was born naturally, not just appeared in the wild like we first thought... but he literally absorbed his mother after that) and we see a really cool shot of hundreds of hands touching baby Yhwach just to get absorbed and fuel him which I gotta say is actually very effective.

The OP is... actually pretty nice. The Song is catchy but ok and while the Opening itself is weird(As it's not a typical action OP), it still parallels everything that will happen in the arc.

While the basics are the same(There are no fully revamped scenes), they add in alot of extra context Kubo didn't do before(For instance, we barely get anything from the type of training Ichigo, Rukia, Renji and Byakuya go through, it's explicitly stated by Ichibei that he's still not strong enough to tango with Yhwach and he "has to go beyond the level of a Soul Reaper" to do so, we get a scene that has Shunsui actually question Ichibei's motivations for taking Ichigo, showing that while he will do the fucked up thing, he's not a fan of doing it to Ichigo at all). It only sucks we still get nothing with Chad and Orihime though outside of their bare scenes of them stating they are training and after that.
While we do get a bit more into the context of the Schatten Briech, it's still not much either which is also a minus. The effect of it overriding the Soul Society is A+ though.

Ultimately, I will give the episode 7/10. It's obviously not action and the calm before the storm and while they did add extra context here and there, I wish they would show more and revamp some scenes entirely(Show Chad and Orihime train or even fight off some of the remaining Quincy in Heuco Muendo, show an extra scene of the Stern Ritter chillin' and being human like releasing that Omake of Bambietta trying to ask Haschwalth for a pay raise in disguise of Holiday money, actually state why Ishida survived Aushwalen(I think this may be stated later though considering I know people have asked Kubo questions like that and he basically deferred to the Anime). But it's not bad overall for what it's setup to be and everything else was still fine.
 
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Episode was a 6/10, not as good as last season's opener, but what can you do when the episode's all dialogue and establishing people training without actually showing any of it.

Still waiting on that explanation for how Uryu survived Auswalen, since they only teased it here and Bazz B's reaction STILL doesn't make a lick of sense give his backstory and true motivation for being there in the first place.

At least we have Ichibei confirming no mere Soul Reaper can defeat Mustache (at least present Mustache anyway), almost certainly confirming himself as transcendent as well.
 
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Episode 15 is a 7/10

Not much changed outside of discussing the fact that the Sternritter who stole Bankai are tasked with killing their wielders to destroy morale(Which honestly makes more sense than just being poetic) and Mareyo wasn't gored by BG9(Which I guess Kubo decided it was too cheap for that to happen, especially for Omeda).
Otherwise, it was basically 4-5 chapters put into one episode fine... but it makes sense as these was never going to get major shakeups.
 
7/10 better than last week's episode for sure.

I do kind of have to admit that I never looked up Soi Fon vs BG9 so I never actually saw the stuff with Omaeda and his sister. Which I thought was super nice and that extra point was largely won by the big guy's giga chad moment of taking the strike for his sister, good on ya Omaeda. Now if only this was on a character who mattered more in the grand scheme of things.

Bazz vs Toshiro went about as well as it could have done and now I want to see BG9 get wrecked for even thinking about threatening the sister.

Unfortunately HE (having already assassinated and buried his much better cousin off-screen) is either going to show up at the end of the next episode or the start of the one after (especially with Bambietta giving the preview line). Either way that 0/10 episode is 2 weeks away at most at this rate.
Xhominid The Apex said:
and Mareyo wasn't gored by BG9(Which I guess Kubo decided it was too cheap for that to happen, especially for Omeda).
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WHAT? 😡
 
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